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Half in jest, I'm considering getting another dog to protect me in my declining years and I came across two varieties I've not heard of before.
I'm curious to find out, if anyone knows of them, in NZ?
Swedish Elkhound - Jämthund - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jämthund
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Karelian Bear Dog - Karjalankarhukoira - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelian_Bear_Dog
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Serious question, not a dig, but why these breeds ?
I mean German Shepherd, Rottie, Dobie, etc
Get one from a good working bloodline and you’re done
Totally understand if it’s a project, I have far too many of those things myself:thumbsup:
Female ridgeback will suit our climate better and have twice the endurance of the breeds you mention
Tough as iron and loyal till death
Wasn't even aware that 'self protection' was an option in NZ. Must be something new.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkN
I can vouch for that. Had one a few years back now and was one of the most loving yet fierce dog I have ever owned. Scandinavian breeds don't do well in the summer over here. It frustrates the hell out of me when I see so many huskies being paraded around as fashion accessories.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmsaum
Attachment 223544 corgi pretty loyal solid and a big bark , also you cant run without ankles .
Also I think with the smaller breeds you can pick them up as you get older and weaker
Rottie no question . . stay away from exotics
...is that the key to your safe around his neck??Quote:
Originally Posted by m101a1
Brilliant idea:thumbsup:
Pretty hard to argue against that, but then again I am pretty biased :D
Any dog will "protect" you but I guess if you mean you want an attack dog that's a different matter. I have viewed all my dogs ( even the 65Kg Rottie bitch I had ), as an early warning system so I can get ready to "meet" the "visitors"
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Originally Posted by rossi.45
Mark, just wondering how many menacing dogs you have had in the past
If menacing dog owner is not experienced or competent enough, the dog could become a liability.
I agreed with M101a1 statement
"... I think with the smaller breeds you can pick them up as you get older and weaker."
When I was a kid, my parent used to have rottie and GSD, both were very protective but Rottie was something else.
My malamute crossed (Bean - see pic) is super friendly to anybody during the day but at night,
he is in the opposite mode, he is alert and howls at suspicious persons or activities
I'm glad I picked him instead of Dobbie.
In saying that, I will get my Dobbie one day when I'm ready.
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for the life of you dont end up with a husky because they are close enough, Im yet to meet one thats not a problem
Happy with my Mal and pleased with the size for portability in vehicles ect
The Elk Hounds are nice dogs, but not super smart from what I have seen. Why not get the Bear and not the Bear Hound, he is all ear tagged and ready to go, be more of a deterrent than any dog.
A German Shepard would be my pick, they are super bonded and loyal to their owner, can live inside and out, so can patrol a fenced property at night, smart and can tell the difference between friend and foe. Need to get one from a good line as some show lines are ruined https://www.heisenberg.co.nz/
Belgian Mallinois (sp) IF you have heaps of time/experience and patience.
Owned (and bred) huskies for 13 years. Totally agree. I love them still but they are a special breed. A handfull to own and very hard on other livestock. Unless you are racing them in harness its not a good breed for a house dog. Of all the litters we bred i think only 1/2 dozen made it too old age and not the dogs fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill999
Getting a dog for protection is totally the wrong reason to have a dog. Not to mention if it munches anything then the local council will make your life very difficult and expensive regardless of who was at fault
Thanks for all the replies, I think I was more interested in whether or not these breeds were here.
Yes I've had a pair, of pig dog, sisters, about 20 years ago. Great girls.
I'm possibly going for a mutt/Corgi.
Though the Karjalankarhukoira looks keen.
This. A ridgeback can wilt a man with just a look. The wrinkles on its brow give it a "fuck around and find out" expression second to none!Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmsaum
[QUOTE=MarkN;1445794]....... in my declining years ........Swedish Elkhound and Karelian Bear Dog /QUOTE]
Both sound like high energy dogs so the other thing to consider is how much energy you are likely to have in your declining years to be able to do the right thing by them. My recommendation would be the good old Staffy. They don't muck about when things get serious but otherwise are real softies.
I had a malinois/ huntaway cross. He never had a slow button installed though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pengy
Amazing dog. super energy and good smarts. would have another in a heartbeat. Maybe next time.
Yep Ridgebacks are great dogs. Grew up with one, she would certainly let you know if someone was coming to visit but a sweet heart after you let them in. Used to have a few beers with my mates and playful punch up / wrestle, mates soon learnt that was a bad idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmsaum
If you want to ultimate protector.. Dogo Argentino (a proper one not the mongrelised pig hunting mutts we see here..)
Our neighbor in Uruguay had one and he got thrown in one of his farm sheds and locked in there whilst the perpetrators went about burglarising his property, when they got to the house they thought they were safe because said Dogo Argentino was chained to a heavy kennel on the lawn. It is all speculation what actually happened once they got inside the house but what is known is that the dog towed the kennel right across the yard, smashed straight through the ranch slider with Kennel still in tow and the inside of the house looked like a murder scene with blood everywhere (that didn't belong to the dog..) the dog had then followed/chased the perpetrators through the house and out a bathroom window, the only thing that had stopped it and probably allowed the perpetrators to live to see another day was he had followed them out through the open window but the kennel wouldn't fit through it, dog found outside the window still attached to his chain and apparently very proud of himself.
Meet a guy in Harare that had a hyena as a pet guard dog. Never got robbed. Had trouble getting staff but he never got robbed:)
Was tame enough you could pat it.
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Originally Posted by Bol Tackshin
Which Ridgeback are you guys referring,, Rhodesian or Thai ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobba
Had Rhodesian Ridgeback/Cattle cross many moons ago was the best finder holder I ever had, would never hold without back up didnt matter if it was large boar or runt the size of gumboot, always bailed.
Rhodesian.Quote:
Originally Posted by trapperjohn
small dog..has small dog syndrome and will bark and bite like there is no tomorrow....the fluffy slippers actually scare me more than any other dog..little shits are vicious...
but seriously having a dog for home protection is a real double edged sword..... I love that mine will bark at stranger at the gate..but if they bit with intent...they would be put down and I would have to retrain another hunting buddy and that would SUCK.
Rhodesian.Quote:
Originally Posted by trapperjohn
For reference purposes only!
You feeling lucky today, punk?
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back in eighties bred ridgebacks - my bitch was a great guard dog - but very gentle with kids - absolute no bullshit if she had to be - but then again my two dogs were really very soft - on pigs bloody good - but guard not really - I was using them every day on goat work so they were under really good command - one of the dogs would indicate deer quite well when on his own - but we had dashhunds when we were kids and man they were bloody good guard dogs - no bullshit with them - visitors would not get out of their car until we had put them away - so its a attitude thing not size with being a guard dog - we had several years ago a young lady next door with a bull cross - decided to guard their driveway- but that included ours and half the bloody street- fucken thing got put down after grabbing a child by his clothing on the back of mums push bike - damn good job - be carefull with what you get as it can go horribly wrong with guard dogsQuote:
Originally Posted by trapperjohn
Should have edited that... meant to say best finder bailer, dog was useless holder.Quote:
Originally Posted by trapperjohn
Live on the edge & get a high content (70%+) wolf dog.
That would be so bad arse. Couldn't take it down to the dog park though... Or in public for that matter.
yeah iv recently got a mal and its amazing, surprisingly small and yea they want to be with you all the timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Pengy
Doberman. Insanely smart, protective of their family and from the stories I've heard are very good at bailing burglars/meter readers in wardrobes/on fridges etc. Best in pairs.
Identify your target beyond all doubt because you never miss (right?) and I'll be missed.
Our neighbor had a Norwiegan Elk Hound, so they are here.
It seemed like a nice enough dog, it let you know if something wasnt right.
It kind of reminded me of a Husky x Shephard but with a curled up tail that made it look like it batted for the other team...
the "insanely smart" bit is thier downfall..... and why they not a common as guard dogs as they once were...they know if are going to get hurt and will back off....Vs a meathead who will go in and grab no matter what,junkyard dog aggro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eat Meater
In my opinion bitches are more territorial than dogs. My Rotti is super nosey and regularly carries out perimeter checks. If somethings up she'll let you know about it.
It depends on the dog. I was talking to a Doberman breeder last weekend. She said two of her dogs were severely injured in a burglary. Looked like a crowbar was used. The burglar was caught after presenting at the A&E claiming he fell through a sliding door. 240 teeth marks or so apparently didn't quite match his claims...Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Identify your target beyond all doubt because you never miss (right?) and I'll be missed.
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Originally Posted by m101a1
Problem with them is the males can't walk upstairs if they're horny
My first one got fixed by his farmer owner before me because he was rooting all his heading bitches .Quote:
Originally Posted by No good names left
