Thread: Deer dog chasing deer

Recently had issue with young puppy chasing deer. Around 1 year old.


She has locked up on a deer and stalked one, it slipped away before could make a shot.

She has really good range in bush untill there is fresh deer scent in front of her and just takes off chasing. I have tried a short leash but in tight bush it is more annoying than helpful.

done a lot of scent work with her, shes good in training but different when live deer scent on the ground/spooked deer.

Anyone got some ideas on training/methods to help.

Electric collar......as much as some dont like it ...... some come with a vibrate, beep and shock options......you may have to do a beep first followed by a light shock.....they soon work it out....

My dog worked it out pretty quickly....once you are hunting and not having to use the 3 options collar can come off....

Or back to basics control

Hamish

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Longer trailing lead. I use paracord.
When I need to I step on it, otherwise it trails along loose.
And of course a good stop and steady command.
For the steady command I have them on the trailing lead and walk up it so they cant progress and saying steady, steady and stroking the dog from behind repeating "steady" Say steady in a soothing voice. Use every opportunity at home and in play to reinforce the steady command. Say, not letting them get excited over food at the bowl or taking it from your fingers.

To a greater or lesser degree the commands I use are:

Here to me (come right up to me so I can hold or touch her)
Get in (come back and behind me)
Go on (walk or hunt in front of me)
Steady (progress slowly and stay calm, controlling range)
Sit
Get out side (move away and stop annoying me)
Leave it (desist. scenting a 'possum for instance, or a power pole when out walking)
Find it (tracking a dead or wounded animal. On a long line if I cant see where she is)

And yes, I have found with this really wired Lab Ive got at present I need to put the vibrate collar on her from time to time. When I vibrate her I say "do as you are told" abruptly. There after, at least for a few hunts I don't need the collar and just use the "do as you are told" command to pull her into line.

Never hit them to teach them. The most I do is a bit of a growling shake by the collar. Ive done it once to this one when she got too familiar with a sheep. It fixed her.

control control control yes the electric collar may help but the dog trainer we used to get in for our goat dogs used to point out the dog needs to understand what it is supposed to do first - he did not like using one for training he said the collar was more to correct bad habits - its never good to let an indicating dog work way out in front - so get the dog to follow you more closely and pay attention to what you are doing - hand signals are more use than verbal commands so teach one hand signal to stay close - a pat on leg is good - take the dog for a walk on a shortish lead - as soon as the dog wants to pull ahead pat your leg and turn 180 and set of in opposite direction - as soon as dog wants to pull ahead again leg pat and turn 180 again and set of again in opposite direction - now takes time but the dog will eventually say to itself this bugger keeps changing where he is going I better watch him - you will see the dog start to pay attention to you and watching what you are doing - then collar and free of lead if the dog starts to get to far ahead a buzz or a small shock pat leg bring back under control

Originally Posted by HNTMAD

Electric collar......as much as some dont like it ...... some come with a vibrate, beep and shock options......you may have to do a beep first followed by a light shock.....they soon work it out....

My dog worked it out pretty quickly....once you are hunting and not having to use the 3 options collar can come off....

Or back to basics control

Hamish

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Right, did you have a problem with your dog chasing? Did you need to train beep then shock or just chucked collar on and go hunting?

Yeah , ive got alot hand signals and range set up. Alot of attentiveness, its just on fresh deer scent it all goes out the window.

Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

control control control yes the electric collar may help but the dog trainer we used to get in for our goat dogs used to point out the dog needs to understand what it is supposed to do first - he did not like using one for training he said the collar was more to correct bad habits - its never good to let an indicating dog work way out in front - so get the dog to follow you more closely and pay attention to what you are doing - hand signals are more use than verbal commands so teach one hand signal to stay close - a pat on leg is good - take the dog for a walk on a shortish lead - as soon as the dog wants to pull ahead pat your leg and turn 180 and set of in opposite direction - as soon as dog wants to pull ahead again leg pat and turn 180 again and set of again in opposite direction - now takes time but the dog will eventually say to itself this bugger keeps changing where he is going I better watch him - you will see the dog start to pay attention to you and watching what you are doing - then collar and free of lead if the dog starts to get to far ahead a buzz or a small shock pat leg bring back under control

Yeah , ive got alot hand signals and range set up. Alot of attentiveness, its just on fresh deer scent it all goes out the window.

Originally Posted by hunter36

Right, did you have a problem with your dog chasing? Did you need to train beep then shock or just chucked collar on and go hunting?

She ranged out to far....head strong dog....she knew what the collar was from Avian Aversion training so when I put it on i don't think I actually had to sheck her....knowing it was on was enough....so normally just beep or vibrate worked....

As others have said back to basics control etc....collar as back up

Hamish

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Originally Posted by Tahr

Longer trailing lead. I use paracord.
When I need to I step on it, otherwise it trails along loose.
And of course a good stop and steady command.
For the steady command I have them on the trailing lead and walk up it so they cant progress and saying steady, steady and stroking the dog from behind repeating "steady" Say steady in a soothing voice. Use every opportunity at home and in play to reinforce the steady command. Say, not letting them get excited over food at the bowl or taking it from your fingers.

To a greater or lesser degree the commands I use are:

Here to me (come right up to me so I can hold or touch her)
Get in (come back and behind me)
Go on (walk or hunt in front of me)
Steady (progress slowly and stay calm, controlling range)
Sit
Get out side (move away and stop annoying me)
Leave it (desist. scenting a 'possum for instance, or a power pole when out walking)
Find it (tracking a dead or wounded animal. On a long line if I cant see where she is)

And yes, I have found with this really wired Lab Ive got at present I need to put the vibrate collar on her from time to time. When I vibrate her I say "do as you are told" abruptly. There after, at least for a few hunts I don't need the collar and just use the "do as you are told" command to pull her into line.

Never hit them to teach them. The most I do is a bit of a growling shake by the collar. Ive done it once to this one when she got too familiar with a sheep. It fixed her.

Absolutely this.


Get to know your dog, for us humans it’s a perishable skill set

Your stop isn't rock solid....as Spok would say to the computer " make it so"... No excuses,no exceptions when boss says sit..you plurry well sit,and stay sitting until released...no matter what.

I need the shock collar (probably should be on me ) when hunting the dog. It can all go downhill fast if i get frustrated with the dog, especially if they are out of correction range. I wish i had shock collars many years before as it would have saved me and my dogs a fair few less shit days
With the collar i can correct any ignored commands behaviour asap to keep the hunt/activity on track. The dog has to understand the command and what is expected before even attempting to correct any ignored commands with the collar.
My dogs all love getting their collars on as it means we are going for a hunt or big run.
My deer dog has tongue clicks and "sshhh" commands for hunting. Single click to comeback/look at me, double click for direction change and "ssshhh" to steady especially when right on a deer (dead or alive). I also say " stay close" to let him know we are now hunting and not just travelling, this means stay about 2m infront. Also "fckn listen" to listen up or its a shock after any ignored commands after then.

Yeah..that "f#@kin listen" command seems to be used rather commonly lol

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

Yeah..that "f#@kin listen" command seems to be used rather commonly lol

"By Jesus" is the one both my dogs know quite well

Mine knows a few French swear words.

waalllago ya mongrel used to get yelled a bit shepherding - I now know the dog would have registered one was pissed of but at what - it would have had very little idea