Gun Shy Dog

Fresh out outta the big smoke and I finally have a bit of space to start testing my dog around guns and game. Bobs got a great nose on him but turns out he's scared shitless of gunfire.

We've got my parents mini schnauzer with us that's got no problem with shooting and is keen as hell on rabbits, a real stubborn bitch though. I'm thinking of switching to 22. subs and getting them out together as a first step to create the "gun = rabbit" line of thought then move up the volume/caliber list till i can get him comfortable around 308.

He's young and impressionable enough to get over it but am keen to hear some thoughts on the best route to success?

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Take it slowly and work up. Can even use two pieces of wood as a clapper, start off lightly and work up. The woods great cos it's not a big scary gun and you can use it anywhere.

Take him somewhere open you can do a bit of shooting from the one spot. Leave him in the truck with the door open and on a mat that is his. Shoot slow strings, a distance from the truck and pointed away 180 degrees. After each shot, leave the gun and come back to give him a treat and a pat and a friendly talking to.

When he is calm and happy about the bang noise, put his mat on the ground close to the truck and continue as before. As he gains calmness, a bit at a time move the mat a little closer to your shooting point, always 180 degrees behind you.

I chuck my pack on the ground, go to prone or on a knee to shoot an animal, I tell my mutt "back" and he goes into a down behind my feet and ignores the shot until released to go forward.

If you don't like shooting without a suppressor, imagine what it sounds like to a dog! Must be horrifying.

If your pooch doesn't have a mat that's his, change that now. It goes anywhere (if practical) he goes, in the lounge, the truck, a mates place, the vet, make it his "spot". Teach him to go to it when you point at it and make him learn it's a good place, if he does something naughty in the house (or where ever) and you get mad, he knows it and runs for his mat, let him stay there and leave the telling off alone, just make him stay there until you've dealt with the problem and you are not mad at him any more. Teaching him about "his" mat means you have a safe place you can take with you, like when you are shooting.

Stole this from elsewhere. This guy took his dog to the clay grounds, sat with dog in the car reassuring the mutt. After a few visits leave dog in the car windows up, then windows slightly open. After a while the dog was taken out and walked until he could take the dog to the shooting area. its hard to reassure your best mate when you are causing the noise. Take it slow.

do what 257weatherby said, take it slow and move further away if he is showing fear. Dont reassure them if showing fear as that can reinforce the dogs reaction, better to ignore and more further away and show no interaction with the dog.

I have been working through the same with my dog, she is timid by nature but wont piss bolt off at a shot so happy with what we have now.

Going through this at the moment with my dog.

She was good as gold (or so I thought), for the first few deer I shot with her, but the last trip out required more than one shot being fired in succession and now she heads back towards home/hangs back at a shot. Over the weekend I happened to be around someone with an air rifle, and she wasn't keen on that either. Going to start from scratch and build her up as she's good company (and bloody warm next to the sleeping bag!), even though she isn't so crash hot at pointing out deer!

All of the above. There's a couple of things that I've done that I'll add to the mix. A bit of noise around tucker time, not to much and build it gently. Totally ignore the dogs reactions, what you're doing is to be seen as perfectly normal. Interaction with the firearm, prop it in a corner in kitchen or lounge, what ever, while you're present. Totally ignore dogs reaction to it. The key to it is lots and lots of patience and consistency. Over time he will improve.

guns = fun walkies
big scary noises are unusual...untill you get used to them...banging pots,wood ,the tin fence at tucker time = learns to ignore bangs as other things more important...
take it slowly and let your wee mate know its ok...my old heading dog would hang back when knew I was going to shoot,was never a problem.

I've had more trouble getting young Gundogs swimming than having them Gunshy
However I'd suggest, if he likes his food get the couple of pieces of wood that Bobba suggested and clap them while hes eating softly them louder till he's used after that follow what 257weatherby or/and Chindit has said.

Thanks for all the great advice fellas, he's very food driven so I should be able to make this work. All the thunder and lightning lately doesn't help but I'll post an update in a few weeks.

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Originally Posted by chindit

Stole this from elsewhere. This guy took his dog to the clay grounds, sat with dog in the car reassuring the mutt. After a few visits leave dog in the car windows up, then windows slightly open. After a while the dog was taken out and walked until he could take the dog to the shooting area. its hard to reassure your best mate when you are causing the noise. Take it slow.

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you drive 2km away from the gunclub, get out of the car and walk towards the gunclub. if the dog is showing nervousness you stop or walk back reassuring the dog.. maybe a food retreat or a retrieve to take the dogs mind off the banging. It may take many many trips to get to a stage where the dog isnt nervous around the gunfire.

If the dog associates food with the bangs problem solved. Walking the dog with two people and having the other person hold the dog while you walk forward and shoot a rabbit with a 22 and suppressed subs, then skin the rabbit and feed it to the dog. Has worked for me to get the dog used to the gun and wagging its tail when it sees it

My last lab, Sam developed a terrible fear of bangs - rifle or shotgun blasts, thunder, fireworks, but still loved shooting with me. I shot over 500 deer with him, pigeons from hides (in UK), and ducks and geese. Strange that he was terrified of shots but not when I was firing them. Perhaps he saw what my shots did and was worried that shots were aimed at him? ��

Anyway, I tried all kinds of ways of curing him but none worked.

Having a dog that isn't gun shy works a treat too.
Do as above with the distance but they dog will also pickup from the gundog it's okay and exciting.

I did it with treats just around gun as she wouldn't even go near it without me holding it. Got her okay with 22 shots. Then took her for with some friends and shot some goats with her a few 100m back then let her sniff the dead goats. She quickly learned the gunshots meant dead exiting things. But also wanted to break at the shot. But we got there in the end

I try to turn it into a game with my yappers, by starting off with the 22 using subs shooting possums. Once they get the idea that the rifle means a fluffy critter to chew, they usually get all excited when I pick up the rifle as they know it's hunting time.

I had the same problem with my dog - Izzie.

I followed all the theories on here of bits of wood clapped together when eating - negative experience and went off food. Subsonic .22 and it was even the sight of the rifle that was enducing fear.

I eventually got through it by a positive experience with a rifle. Izzie was mad on deer scent but brininging the rifle on the hunt induced a fear response, so we went hunting a few times without a rifle and just carried a stick to represent a rifle. Be aware that even your anticipation of the dogs negative reaction could be part of the "erxperience" you are currently having, afterall over 90% of a dogs "communication" is via body language - and yours forms part of the communication you have with your dog.

If possible set up the perfect hunt, you, rifle and deer. Even if you have to "pay" for an easy hunt it's worth it.

Does your dog get to chew on any deer products? Hide, hocks etc or is it keep off the actual physical taste of deer, if so the next step is easy. Izzie was mad on the scent of deer but never ever "tasted" it until we shot one. She never "played" with anything deer related at all during her training. With the perfect hunt set up - she smelt the deer, could see the deer, was in a solid down and I fired from in front of here. She heard the bang - got a little fright, but saw the deer drop. Reassurence given and then a slow, back to training like, stalk in on the downed animal where she got the taste and smell of a real deer for the first time up close. Lots of praise on the "finding" the deer and she's never looked back since.

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my advise is that your dog will associate the gun with the bad bang and you need to build that back up without any noise. If possible without scaring neighbours bring the gun out when you feed the dog. Get the dog comfortable with that even lay the gun next to the dog while it’s eating. Then get to the point where you either break or work the action while the dog is eating. . Do this for as long as you need before introducing any other noise. You could even use a clapper at dinner time without the gun present getting used to the noise but not trigger the fear of a gun being there to disconnect the two for now.
Just my 2 cents and what has worked for me in the past.
Good luck

My current deer dog absolutely hated gun shots and at one point the sight of the gun had him running.

What I did/do is use wooden clappers, put my dog on a sit and walk 100 yards away and without looking at him for a reaction clap the wood. I personally wouldn't pat my dog and reasure him because you could potentially be reassuring him that its okay to be scared. Instead I absolutely take no notice and watch him out of the corner of my eye to see his reaction. This game also helps with the dog not jumping the shot later down the track. As he relaxes to the claps at 100yards ill slowly come closer until Im next to him. I then start the procedure again but with a suppressed 22 and slowly work up to the desired calibre.

This can take awhile and I definitely wouldn't rush it. My heading dog is now the opposite when he sees a rifle, way to keen ��