I've no idea if this is possible but has anyone been able to work a heading dog on sheep and also indicate deer or is that just too much of an ask ?
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I've no idea if this is possible but has anyone been able to work a heading dog on sheep and also indicate deer or is that just too much of an ask ?
I think it comes down to the trainer and dog. My hunting dog is half headingxpointer lab and if i started taking her to work she would start working stock with the other dogs. My wife uses her to round up our chooks or move sheep if we have them in our house paddock. Long as trained her to keep in when hunting and introduce her to gun fire like a hunting dog it could work. All my working dogs aren't to bad with gun fire considering they had never been introduced to it.
Many years ago there was a rabbiter in Central that did week about, one week rabbiting the next sheparding. He used the same dogs for both.
Work out which one you want it to mainly be, train it up for that first, then introduce the other. Don't confuse it by training it to do both at the same time.
yes its possible...I recall vividly 3 days of my youth. finished a shepherds trial with my heading dog one day,mustered cattle with him the next (hard healer) and caught a 140lb boar with him the next. he told me when deer were about too.teach dog its stock work and then take it hunting....they have brains enough to work out what you want it to do....even if they dont turn out to be top at indicating they will tell you if something is about and sure as God made little green apples make finding something you have shot easy.
if any working dog could it,d be a heading dog truly the brains and sometimes the brawn of any team.
the old shepherds trial a ???
loved the three dog event.
only cos I had a once in a lifetime handy dog that found and bailed pigs to.
my heading was good if a little to soft for cattle and I had a couple of trial blood hunterwaYS.
Yep not a problem I think they make the best deer dogs as they should be under good command just break them in for stock then take them hunting couse they use to working stock finding deer just comes naturally when they see aminals weather it sheep cattle or deer I'm useing a huntaway now & she one of the best deer dogs Iv ever seen I don't think I get another like her but brock her in for work then took her hunting & the 1st time she got me a deer but the one think I didn't know till watching her when watching clearings is how far they can see deer away she can see deer at 600m+
if my memory serves me right...it was a long pull down off the hill and just had to hold them in a ring about 10mtrs across...sort of a novice first attempt to wet the toes for the big event. won a bag of tux bickies for the dog...was right chuffed.
I recall Dads bitch bringing three down off course and one stubborn ewe decided to stop above a bluffy bank and have a go at Paddy.....wrong move,she grabbed the old girl by the snozz and threw her over the bank to a hearty round of applause from the club house...dont think she scored well all the same.
My late grandfather was Les Knight who wasn’t bad with the working dog and he passed me a few that ‘didn’t cut it’ or were perhaps ‘too hard’, one in particular would muster my goats (@ $200 each) it was great money mid 80’s for a 13 year old, Sam would hold or bail pigs, he would point goats also and round em on command but I never did use him on deer, he was a clever dog who wouldn’t rush in.
I learnt a lot from that dog.
I had an excellent huntaway by one of Les's dogs (Bully, I think). He was a great mustering dog, useful at the trials and would wind deer for me.Quote:
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I'm the opposite got a deer pointing, pulls over wounded Deer/ pig finding dog that I use to muster sheep(450) and beef (50) on a regular basis. She's 9 1/2 now and the stock work is telling on her the next day.
Know of a dog that was trained for sheep, retrained for search and rescue then another change to biodiversity work (ok so it's still indicating) as has been said, more up the the owner/trainer than the dog.
Yes, he had two Huntaways that stood out on the hill at that time and won their share of NI, SI and NZ titles. Bully and Buff.Quote:
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It’s a small world, really interesting to hear you took him around deer. Interesting.
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yep les knight was legendary in dog trialing don't think I ever saw him run a dog at a trial but heard plenty.
did see jimmy hay and doug at the alfredton trials.
on a particuly sticky trio doug dropped his noise and looked back at jimmy who replied'' don't worry doug we,l educate the bastards''
jim blinkhorn the concrete shepherd was a aquaitance of ny gradndfather never really rated bloke that high tho.
I had one of Bully's progeny - Rum was his name big dog - got him off John Finlyason PioPio who along with Lez were close mates with my father - also a keen Trialist and JudgeQuote:
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Les did alot of Judging too for mem - I actually never remember seeing him run a Huntaway - Heading yes many
There's some great feedback there fella's and very encouraging. I'm off to look for litters :)
@Tahr i doubt there's many shepherds in the whole of NZ without some form of Bully blood in their team. That man was a legend!!!Quote:
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I lived opposite Norris and went to school with his daughters.Quote:
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@gsp follower I had a lovely black bitch by Doug out my Nan I called "Wake". Ran her at Alfredton a few times. She was inclined to drop her nose too. She would have likely been ok on deer, but never tried her.Quote:
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small world tahrQuote:
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doug was some .dog
the Alsatian they called him but not to jimmys face :D
perhaps the only one more impressive I saw live was paul sorensons fake.
what a dog he was black and dark brindle
Gidday @Danny, I was just talking to a very good friend of mine recently about your Grandfather and how he used to go help with dog training up at Smedley Station, where I trained back in the early 2000s.
I had his book that he put out years ago, but buggered if I can find it. I'm out of the shepherding game now, but dog training is something that I love passing on to others. His method of training was a lot more natural than a lot of the methods now and it showed in the amazing dogs he'd run. Would you happen to know where I could get a copy of his book, as it's great for showing younger guys getting into dog training. Would pay handsomely to get my hands on one, or even a donation to Te Kuiti trial club.
Cheers
Scott
Hi mate yep good to hear, I’ll have a hunt around, we also have saved a bit on DVD also.Quote:
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You’re right he was a natural and had a sense with his dogs.
Great to hear as that always appeared his passion was sharing on to budding young Shepherds...
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Bloody legend, thank you. Let me know what you need if you do find some material.Quote:
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Cheers
Scott
Will do mate.
My main pig dog for a few years was a strong eyed bitch given to me by a mate when she was five. Dream would work sheep and cattle for him. He would muster goats in the weekends with her and if he saw any fresh pig sign he would go back in the evening. When she had the tracking collar on her and he had the 44 she wouldn't touch a goat. When mustering goats she wouldn't catch a pig. A really smart finder on pigs and a hard stopper. Everything comes down to the intelligence of the dog and the handler and then just consistency and repetition.