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    I must be getting old and cynical

    At present there is a litter of a particular versatile breed for $1800 a puppy. Am I wrong in saying that is ridiculous? Are there people willing to pay that much on what is essentially, a gamble? I understand good breeding minimizes that gamble, but any honest breeder will tell you that even amongst the best bred litters they aren't all created equal. Is this targeting the folk who don't know better? Is this where marketing takes over from breeding?
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    anyone can ask whatever they want for anything . . . but will they get it . . . if they do, expect $1800 to be the norm until someone else tries to raise the bar again

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    I think it's a symptom of the rot, this stupidity, that is becoming firmly entrenched in dogs in general, but sadly is making its way into gundogs, which is a shame as its hunters that get duped.
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    Marketing, business, confidence in their breeding genetics, supply and demand...

    Previously I was working in an industry where the normal rates were $45-60/hour. I had skills that were rare, and experience, confidence etc, so I charged $120/hr and people paid it all day long. I never sold it as an hourly rate, I inspected and quoted for free, I offered genuine advice and where I could help, I offered SOLUTIONS to their problems. People gladly paid the rates to solve their issues.

    If they have the breeding, and no issues selling previous litters and the confidence in their stock that thei clients will see value for money, then mores the power to them.

    IMHO only of course.
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    I respect that, but no serious dog man could look a buyer in the eye and say they all turn out great. You have every chance of getting a dud as you do for the average of the whole breed. Dogs are dogs, not all are created equal. This particular breed doesn't have any advantage over similar ones.

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    Welcome to 2016 and the world wide market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pointer View Post
    I respect that, but no serious dog man could look a buyer in the eye and say they all turn out great. You have every chance of getting a dud as you do for the average of the whole breed. Dogs are dogs, not all are created equal. This particular breed doesn't have any advantage over similar ones.

    For that sort of money you would want a "Leupold" warranty. Actually you might be better putting the money towards importing a dog with good genetics.

    Pointer pups were $500 (looking at the expensive end of their "price range" when we first got ours now they seem to average $1000-1200 from the same breeder!

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    Yes you are and yes.
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    This isn't the world wide market. This is a tiny collection of islands at the bottom of the Pacific. That price is motivated by greed and marketing, nothing more.

    That's the thing Mikee, no breeder can guarantee a pup. They are livestock, not tools. The best he can do is offer to take it back or rehome. These guys have gone to lengths to import. I know they will bring up the covering costs issue but that could be done without such a margin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pointer View Post
    That's the thing Mikee, no breeder can guarantee a pup. They are livestock, not tools. The best he can do is offer to take it back or rehome

    I understand that totally and that's all I would expect a good breeder to do but not at the whim of the owner cause they "can't cope".

    But then I never thought I would ever see someone charging more than a grand for what is really a mongrel (Cavadoodle or Pointadoor or Sprointer or some such thing)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pointer View Post
    This isn't the world wide market. This is a tiny collection of islands at the bottom of the Pacific. That price is motivated by greed and marketing, nothing more.

    That's the thing Mikee, no breeder can guarantee a pup. They are livestock, not tools. The best he can do is offer to take it back or rehome. These guys have gone to lengths to import. I know they will bring up the covering costs issue but that could be done without such a margin.
    Such a small litter will not recoup much of there importing costs, what it does show is by advertising on trademe they have lost a fair bit of ground by not breeding in the last few years.....they were at the high end back then so nothing has changed there.

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    If a breed becomes "Fashionable" then kiss good bye to reasonable prices.People now charge what the market will bear, same as everything else these days.Unfortunately once some idiot pays over the top that sets the new price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sako 243 View Post
    Marketing, business, confidence in their breeding genetics, supply and demand....
    Pretty much the key elements of breeding long term.
    But in reverse order.

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    its $2000 for a chesapeake pup and ive seen up to $1750 for a lab pup. when they do all the genetic testing, hip xrays and so on for the sire and dam it adds up. that said if no one pays that price it will come down

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    My Mrs' brother wants (but can't afford) a French Bulldog - Not a working/gundog breed I know, but at $4500 for a puppy jeebus!
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