nice looking dogs Ryan, have you hunted over the solid liver yet
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nice looking dogs Ryan, have you hunted over the solid liver yet
Thank you.
Yes, she's a really nice retriever with a really soft mouth and has a really nice gait and running style. She's more brains and less bulldozer than Quin in the way she hunts.
Quin has been and will continue to be my workhorse along with the new German dog now but she's a lot of fun to shoot over and easy to handle.
Your black Pointer is absolutely stunning eh.
what black pointer are you talking about Dougie
german shorthaired pointer
Thank you. The liver bitch's tail is not as short as it appears in the picture, it's just kinda bent back. Her tail is about the same length proportionately as the his.
The tails are docked where they are so that they are short enough that they are not damaged when working heavy cover and long enough that they can wag it etc. The general rule is to leave 1/2-5/8
Munsey is correct in that the trend is moving towards longer tails. I'm not sure the logic behind the change but I'm not concerned as long as they aren't so long they start cutting up their tails. I've had a full tailed dog before and it was a nightmare. I won't have another one.
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He's a pointer...right??
Haha...an easy mistake to make from a picture like that. GSPs with a lot of white on them are rather uncommon here and black and white ones with that much white are non-existent so I can understand the confusion as it's normally a pointer pattern/color. That pattern is much more common in Germany and even more common in the US.
a gsp
a german short hair pointer, so tell me how come your pointer's tail don't stand up in the 12 o clock position ?
mmmmmm now let me think:wtfsmilie:
yanky dog--tail looks weird--the John Holmes of tails
yanky dog ?............ but hang on it's a pointer isn't it ?
I can't see the pic, but if you have put an American bred pointer up then yes, regardless of how it carries its tail, its a pointer. The tail is mere fashion.
If I were to be anal, you could say that the American FDSB strain is purer than the UK strain, considering it is founded by only a few founding imports and refined for well over one hundred years within a single country.
As an interesting side note, after WW2 when the UK were rebuilding the decimated native pointer breed with imports from around the world, there were many that came from the US in the 1940s. None of them had a natural high tail
i dont know why my dogs tail doesnt stand at a 12 oclck position, and i dont know why the amaerican bred pointers tails do, so please tell us why
so it's fair to say they are different types of the same breed, how the breeds change within the various countries is often followed by a name change of some sort and a separation of the working abilities and even appearance from the parent country.
fair to say the yanks have there own type of 'pointer' and refer to the english version as such an 'english pointer' the dogs of the 1940's were still 'english' type, the american pointers of today have evolved for the types of trials and working enviroments there.
the same rings true for the gsp / dk:)
I would go as far to say in all sporting breeds there are different types. My point was, regardless of where you go, they all call them pointers. Referring to one as an "english show pointer" and another "FDSB all-age pointer" is as much a word game as calling one dog a GSP and another a DK. All that says to me is one was born and probably tested in Germany, the other wasn't.
What's a DK?
Deutsch Kurzhaar
The literal translation of which is "German shorthair" (the "pointer" bit was added by the English speaking kennel clubs to differentiate them from the multitude of German shorthaired breeds ie dobermans, weims etc). People generally use it when referring to GSPs of German registration. Ie two of my dogs are DKs and one is a GSP. The differentiating factor is that all DKs are eligible for registration as GSPs, the reverse is not true because of the German testing system.
Personally I could give a crap less what they're called though having owned American pointers I do believe they are a separate breed from English pointers. They don't even look alike.
I agree with you one hundred per cent in divergence in type. I used 'Show' and 'FDSB all-age" to illustrate that the divergence is great in pointers, as it appears to be in the GSP. However, is that divergent enough to warrant a name change? I think not - ultimately they are the same breed, just different strains. You as a cocker man would know all about divergence in type :)
When we catch up I'll show you some pictures of early UK stuff, it's remarkably similar.
I am glad you don't buy into name thing. What you have brought in ultimately will be judged and remembered by its performance, not what it was called. I am very interested in seeing how they go here
*Double postage*
http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/...ikkaatpond.jpg
My Vizsla waiting for some action on a -2 degree morning, he handled the cold better than I expected, first time on ducks over water, doesn't like picking ducks up from water yet (not confident enough picking them up while swimming) but can sort that easily over summer with some more water work
He made up for it later in the day on the quail...
http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/...awithquail.jpg
actually yes it was enough to warrant a name change, as a cocker man even, ever heard of an amercan cocker spaniel, cause i have.
bulldogs,staffies various types of terriers and hounds all of english decent now have an american version.
anyhow back to the thread................. great pics hori
Took the new boy for a quick wander down by the river today. He pointed 2 hens in a short run.
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...s/Photo119.jpg