Just wondering if anyone has been using a English springer for deer?
Or is it impossible or not worth it to try and get them to work close.
Did read somewhere about somebody using a Brittany as a indicator.
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Just wondering if anyone has been using a English springer for deer?
Or is it impossible or not worth it to try and get them to work close.
Did read somewhere about somebody using a Brittany as a indicator.
Square peg round hole, there are much better choices. While im sure there are springer out there that are used on deer, they would probably be poor examples of their breed.
Brittanys are a pointing breed, unlike the springer which is a flushing breed. One speeds up on game, one slows to a stop :)
With the right training it should be doable though.
With the right dog to start with less training required!
That explains the brittanys then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pointer
I was not aware that they were classed as a pointer.
I see what you are saying about the flushing side of it as it would be a hard instinct to curb and require some serious training knowledge to make it work.
cheers
Ok, another way to look at it. What other hunting do you do as well as deer?
The only Brittany I've had missed the memo, all it wanted to do was run/flush.
Mainly deer but wanting to have a go at some game birds,hares and rabbits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wirehunt
Was thinking about size.
Are keen on GWP but just chucking some ideas around and wondering if its possible to keep a spaniel in close or would his wheels be spinning all the time.
Go along to a few spaniel trials, then picture that in the kaimanawa cornflakes!
Why not use that Vizsla?
Yeah that is my memory of a spaniel a mate of mine had when I was a kid but she was untrained.
I moved my Vizsla on to a hunting family .
I just wasn't getting home enough to NZ
My daughter's had him at my home and to be honest being 17 and 21 year Olds he was not getting near enough excise or attention he needed.
Hard choice but I are moving home in new year and rather than ruin him or have him fretting in cage I will start again.
Just chucking a few ideas around.
they get used in the uk, but more for recovery and sitting under a high seat.
they don't have a point but a point or indication is there if you had the skills to train it in the same way you can with a lab.
you can heal train any dog to walk through the bush and eventually you will trip over the odd deer, some breeds just make the job easier.
Have been using a Cocker Spaniel for about the last 9 years on deer and she has been good. Unfortunatly her hunting days are just about over.
Dosn`t take up too much room in the tent either.
i used a springer cocker cross on deer for the last 15 years .he was good head strong as a young dog but soon sorted with the right training ,also head strong as a old dog he got so deaf just did his own thing.was fantastic at finding downed deer it was like he was laser guided .one memorable day he found a mates deer the next morning in a good west coast rain hell of a nose .he was only interested in deer ducks where boring never got the chance to shoot quail etc with him.he was a top dog
The best beating dog I have ever seen was a Jack Russell dog...:)
I could believe that.
haven't seen a decent spaniel then.
I've got a jack here that would take some beating regardless of the breed he's up against. He would be one of the most stubborn dogs I've seen.
And I've had spaniels but like them as a cross, there is in fact spaniel in about 1/4 of the dogs here ;)
take him to a rabbit trial and see.
can't see the need to cross them myself.
Yep my model has missed all memo's . Still a great friend to go bush with😀Quote:
Originally Posted by Wirehunt
Because. Dogs get over other dogs that are different breeds. I know, shocking isn't it! I really wish they would only jump their own kind.Quote:
Originally Posted by kawhia
However the reward for me is a more versatile dog, you want something that flushes i want something that flushes then has the speed to catch and is driven.
hi spaniels are bred for flushing they move forward in a circle and flush back toward the hunter, you can never tell what any dog will achieve until you try.
I have used an English Springer Spaniel for the last 8 years on deer...are there better dogs suited for this ? - Yes - my Spaniel is never going to bail or pull down a wounded deer but he will indicate deer are in the vicinity and will find deer that have run on after being shot....am i happy with what he does for me ? - Absolutely !!! - i put a lot of work into him though, and wouldn't have bothered if he was hyper like a lot of Spaniels can be....you get out a dog what you put in.....i think the fact that my dog was getting a lot of work helped......there is a book called Training Spaniels by Joe Irving - one of the best books on Spaniels money can buy......anyway pals over here i hunt with all have dogs they swear by.....Border Terriers, Labs/ GSP's and Wirehaired Pointers....they all do great work....i only wish i had gotten into dogs a lot earlier.....
Dragging hides and things is teaching your dog to concentrate on following a track, it's the concentration you need to build.
but it is a separate skill in it's self, not many actually get the whole tracking concept, too hung up on the indication only for deer work.
They dropped the spaniel on Brittany Spaniel a few years ago because as above they are a pointer just known as Brittanys now I have 2 good dogs birds and deerhttp://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...pssxtgqe3n.jpghttp://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...ps9cbjbsbr.jpghttp://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...psebgpodxu.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Zamkiwi
they dropped the spaniel bit after they modified it, but like a half dozen pointing spaniel breeds from france you can still get a Brittney spaniel.
My bad I ment the NZKC dropped the spaniel I have both french and american. I have meet people who use springers on everything with great results their an awesome
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