Think before you snip your pup

Hey guys,

thought I would share this info especially as a lot of vets, councils etc are pushing people to neuter their dogs asap due to the number of dogs that end up in shelters.

A large study was conducted on 2500 Vizsla's that showed neutering is bad for the dogs health in a lot of ways, this is also backed by smaller studies on golden retrievers and other breeds.
Also disproving common believe that neutering improves behavior / training - intact dogs had less behavioral issues, less fear and anxiety and were generally better to train.

Remember the number one reason that dogs end up abandoned or re-homed is behavioral problems - if neutering makes this more likely perhaps that isn't the answer to full shelters. There are now options to prevent litters without full removal of organs which may be worth exploring if you don't want to have an intact dog at home.

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you forgot the biggest reason.....Mrs doesnt need to stick chemicals in her system....or wear rubbers...... my hair still falling out,,,always had man boobs....and my Mrs says whatever...LOL.

I have always left all my animals intact and had 2 entire males ( a 50kg Rottie and Huntaway) at the same time. No worries or problems if you teach them what is what. Dogs don't care if they are "top" dog or lower down the peaking order. What they don't like is an uncertain arrangement where the owner is sometime the boss and sometimes not. If there is uncertainty the dog will want to fill the vacant top spot and you will get the same old story of dog growling or biting the owner or kids, misses etc...
Oh and a vasectomy is way different from a neuter when the balls and hence testosterone production is gone. If behaviours ( like roaming etc...) are already established, removing nuts will do nothing for that.
I love it when the vets say "it will stop testicular cancer", or stop some problems from happening. If it's that good why don't people get their kids snipped to stop them getting "problems" later.

All my pig dogs for the last 30 years have been "fixed" all bitches, plenty of other guys pups out there when wanting a replacement.

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Originally Posted by rugerman

I have always left all my animals intact and had 2 entire males ( a 50kg Rottie and Huntaway) at the same time. No worries or problems if you teach them what is what. Dogs don't care if they are "top" dog or lower down the peaking order. What they don't like is an uncertain arrangement where the owner is sometime the boss and sometimes not. If there is uncertainty the dog will want to fill the vacant top spot and you will get the same old story of dog growling or biting the owner or kids, misses etc...
Oh and a vasectomy is way different from a neuter when the balls and hence testosterone production is gone. If behaviours ( like roaming etc...) are already established, removing nuts will do nothing for that.
I love it when the vets say "it will stop testicular cancer", or stop some problems from happening. If it's that good why don't people get their kids snipped to stop them getting "problems" later.

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Vets say lotsa things but love thing like their gold plated super. Get a dog which is well bred and properly fed and exercised the only thing going to kill it is old age. Saying dogs need cutting is like saying our Minister of Police knows what she is talking about.

Could have asked if any daughters they have are going to get hysterectomies to stop them getting ovarian cancer. It is an odd way of thinking, unless like a car salesman, you are trying to upsell and sell add ons

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Originally Posted by mimms2

...had the vet tell me to spay my bitch incase she later gets an infection in the uterurs...don't understand the thinking there... might as well just shoot her incase she gets old

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what I find really odd is how people think its ok to neuter (they aren't broken, you aren't fixing them) before 6months - they aren't even grown yet - it's literally hampering their development...

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Originally Posted by mimms2

Men choosing to get a vasectomy can be for any number of reasons...don't want kids, prevent hair loss, grow tits, whatever.

No such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners. Now if we could neuter of have the owners put down... might see a whole new class of wolf evlove, and less shitheads to boot.

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I'm not normally one to disrespect mums and dads but your owners must have been real bad

Everyone's different.... I had my youngest dog done as easily as I could as we have the mother and wanted another litter off her and not from her son

You were saying a bad dog is due to its owners :P

we've been talking about this subject regarding our vizsla lately . So being a first time owner don't actually know what is involved . I assumed it is just a snip the lines thing or do they remove his nuts completely ?
I don't want it done any time soon but know of several others that have been chopped at the same age supposedly due to getting aggressive/rough with family members and was done to supposedly calm them down .
We have also heard that chopping to early can cause testi cancer ...(?)
We are hoping to maybe breed at least once with him and have been asked by several people who wish to produce a litter with their females but can't find a male that hasn't already had the chop done , so it would seem to be standard procedure with vizsla to chop asap at an early age .

I'm a believer in letting them fully mature intact whether dog or bitch the way nature intended to ensure growth happens properly with the right levels of testosterone etc in the system to control the process. Once mature then get them fixed if that's what you want.

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Originally Posted by mimms2

I did, and I got the inference.

My query was more to why you were implying me a bad dog, and slagging off my olds.

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Your behavior

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Originally Posted by stagstalker

I'm a believer in letting them fully mature intact whether dog or bitch the way nature intended to ensure growth happens properly with the right levels of testosterone etc in the system to control the process. Once mature then get them fixed if that's what you want.

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I'm much the same. my last dog had prostate problems so had to have it done, otherwise I would have kept them on him.

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Originally Posted by mimms2

...had the vet tell me to spay my bitch incase she later gets an infection in the uterurs...don't understand the thinking there... might as well just shoot her incase she gets old

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Having nearly lost an exceptional bitch to pyometra, I would agree with the Vet that speying the bitch at an appropriate age when it has been decided that you don't wish to breed from her, is a sensible suggestion. Far better then an emergency operation on an animal now of ill-health to remove an infected uterus and all the complications that can come with it.

The nuts are removed FTX.
Unfortunately removing nuts to control aggression, is a bit of the old horse has bolted scenario.When dogs become "teenagers" they will naturally test the hierarchy to see if, for some reason, they are now the boss :) that is the time to do a heap more reinforcement of the rules and obedience, to make sure they know who the boss is. The wife and kids also need to let the dog know that it is below them as well, otherwise you will get the kids or wife growled at or nipped ( which is the dog saying "you are below me mate").

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Originally Posted by Ftx325

we've been talking about this subject regarding our vizsla lately . So being a first time owner don't actually know what is involved . I assumed it is just a snip the lines thing or do they remove his nuts completely ?
I don't want it done any time soon but know of several others that have been chopped at the same age supposedly due to getting aggressive/rough with family members and was done to supposedly calm them down .
We have also heard that chopping to early can cause testi cancer ...(?)
We are hoping to maybe breed at least once with him and have been asked by several people who wish to produce a litter with their females but can't find a male that hasn't already had the chop done , so it would seem to be standard procedure with vizsla to chop asap at an early age .

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We advise our pup owners not to desex, for some owners the pressure from vets and vet nurses wins in the end and I’ve been around long enough to know the usual result being soft tissue cancer gets them before they reach double digits…. It’s the owners choice but I prefer to leave them as nature intended, for some medical reasons it is a given for owners of male dogs I suggest a superlorian injection if they feel temp issues are the result of his dangly bits… most of the time they are not.

We got our pup done on advice from our vet when 1 of his balls failed to drop. Said it would turn cancerous if not removed.
All my previous dogs were left intact

Actually pushing the balls up into the body cavity ( a crypt orchard), is a technique in sheep to stop the fertility, but maintain the ram-like behaviour.
The increased heat in the balls kill the sperm, so they are effectively firing blanks