Thread: Calibers

Was really a rhetorical question...

Originally Posted by The Claw

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I have a wife, 2 kids, a good job, nice house etc, and quite frankly, I'm not going to trade that for a 100-200fps gain on the cloak and dagger advice/ramblings of some idiot that won't cough up any real data...............

You can be given all the data in the world, but if it differs from is given to you by who you want to follow, then what actual point is there as it will just be slated 'wrong'

If I presented data hypothetically for say 300gr @ 3500 on a off the shelf action @ 65000psi there would be all sorts of BS and 'unsafe' called out because the data (some of it obtained from a known non-quantifiable device) differs
How can you ever get acceptance???

As I stated prior, there is lot going on and data that will never see the light of day for the simple fact that it is 'differs' and will be shot down... some of it is over 5 yrs old and shot damn near daily.

Originally Posted by Spanners

Was really a rhetorical question...



You can be given all the data in the world, but if it differs from is given to you by who you want to follow, then what actual point is there as it will just be slated 'wrong'

If I presented data hypothetically for say 300gr @ 3500 on a off the shelf action @ 65000psi there would be all sorts of BS and 'unsafe' called out because the data (some of it obtained from a known non-quantifiable device) differs
How can you ever get acceptance???

As I stated prior, there is lot going on and data that will never see the light of day for the simple fact that it is 'differs' and will be shot down... some of it is over 5 yrs old and shot damn near daily.

If there is lots of data, and its been shot daily for 5 years, does that not prove that the accepted norm is out of date and there is a new level of performance out there? Probably does, and if that sort of bulk of data was summarised and made available to perspective buyers, they could make up their own mind about whether they want to be part of the "revolution".

I am certainly not adverse to trying something new out, but I also like to research that thing as much as possible before buying. If the information is viable, and supported by hard data, then why not release that data. I don't by any means mean release the secret as to what made the revolution possible, that makes no sense from a business point of view, but then neither does saying nothing at all...

Originally Posted by The Claw

If there is lots of data, and its been shot daily for 5 years, does that not prove that the accepted norm is out of date and there is a new level of performance out there? Probably does, and if that sort of bulk of data was summarised and made available to perspective buyers, they could make up their own mind about whether they want to be part of the "revolution".

And when that info is presented terms like 'cannot', 'blowing cases', 'chronograph is inaccurate', 'you're talking Bullshit', 'without popping primers', 'molten brass' get thrown around, so they just go quiet and continue on with what they do.

Originally Posted by The Claw

I am certainly not adverse to trying something new out, but I also like to research that thing as much as possible before buying. If the information is viable, and supported by hard data, then why not release that data. I don't by any means mean release the secret as to what made the revolution possible, that makes no sense from a business point of view, but then neither does saying nothing at all...

Some people do it for the enjoyment of shooting - its not always about being topdog and business