Our 600 yard mound is getting an extreme makeover at the moment!
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Our 600 yard mound is getting an extreme makeover at the moment!
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The new season is not far away now. Anyone get keen over winter and ready to come out to the range and have a go?
Its a bloody good little setup out there have been a number of times ,ranges from 100 out to 400 and another shorter range is being setup just before the entrance to it,like someone said opening hours are the same as Higgins hours....unless you have a key.
good to go and sight in the rifles , a lot better then the other range that's being setup that I made enquiries about.
Bookings for the new 100 yd range are taken at Rivers to Ranges Hastings.
Opening day this Saturday. Be at the range by 12:45 for 1pm start
See you there!
Good turn out for the first weekend. See you all again this Saturday!
600y tomorrow!
Hi, what's your rules re calibre's, is a 7mm rem mag ok?
Further to that, I see that the National (Seddon) range at Trentham now has a reduced limit, namely 4500 Joules. The Army imposing their arbitrary limits..
It is in a letter from the NRANZ to their members
From: NRANZ Secretary <secretary@nranz.org.nz>
Date: 14 November 2016 at 12:25:15 PM NZDT
To: secretary@nranz.org.nz
Subject: Message from the Chairman - Maximum Muzzle Energy on Seddon Range now 4500 joules
Reply-To: secretary@nranz.org.nz
Muzzle Energy Level on Seddon Range will be a Maximum of 4500 joules and enforced until further notice.
The Trentham Range RSOs (Range Standing Orders) has stated that the maximum Muzzle Energy (ME) that is allowed on Seddon Range is 4300 joules.
As of Thursday, 10 November 2016, the maximum ME allowed on Seddon Range has been raised to 4500 joules.
This ME will remain until further notice.
Please be aware that all competitors will be subject to random checking and possible chronograph testing of their ammunition at all events on Seddon Range for the foreseeable future. This will begin with the WRA Spring and Hawkes Bay meet this weekend coming, 19-20 November.
Please be aware that this situation may stretch out to the 2017 NRANZ Nationals in January. Therefore National Competitors should prepare ammunition loads in case this situation remains until then.
NRANZ regrets this situation has arisen but we must address that higher ME ammunition has apparently been shot on Seddon in the past.
Members can be assured that negotiations between NZDF and NRANZ are in progress to address the situation ASAP.
For guidance the following projectile weights and muzzle velocity table is provided to show approximate muzzle energy.
Also for background information please find below the ICFRA Rules relating to ammunition at ICFRA events, and, from the Australian Rifle Association Standard Rule. These show that whatever can be fired must conform to the host range conditions.
It may be of interest to note that Belmont 1000yd Range, Brisbane, has a 4745 joules ME.
Proj
fps ME (joules)
155
3000 4197
3025 4268
3050 4338
3075 4410
3100 4482
185
2800 4367
2820 4429
2840 4492
2850 4524
2900 4684
210
2660 4473
2665 4490
2670 4507
2675 4524
ICFRA Ammunition Rules
F Class:
F2-20. Ammunition may be commercial or handloaded but loaded in a manner consistent with the ammunition industry's accepted standards; must be safe to fire in the rifle for which it is intended and must meet in all respects the limitations of any range regulations (e.g. calibre, velocity, muzzle energy etc.). Even if permitted thereunder, prohibited bullets will be those having a core consisting of steel, hardened material, depleted uranium, incendiary or tracer compounds. Also prohibited are bullets of monolithic construction or those having a discarding jacket/sabot.
TR:
T2.21. Ammunition may not be used which is forbidden under specific rules provided for in Range Regulations. Even if permitted thereunder, prohibited bullets will be those having a core consisting of steel, hardened material, depleted uranium, incendiary or tracer compounds. Also prohibited are bullets of monolithic construction or those having a discarding jacket / sabot.
NRAA
20.42 Ammunition may be commercial or handloaded but loaded in a manner consistent with the ammunition industry’s accepted standards; must be safe to fire in the rifle for which it is intended and must meet in all
respects the limitations of any range regulations (e.g. calibre, velocity, muzzle energy etc.).
Kind regards
Ross Mason
Chairman, NRANZ
Helen Morgan
NRANZ Secretary
National Rifle Association of New Zealand Inc.
PO Box 47-036 Trentham, Wellington, New Zealand 5143
Home » National Rifle Association of New Zealand email: secretary@nranz.org.nz
Telephone +64 4 528 4843
@Cyclops Cheers, thanks for that.
Yeah I have let my membership lapse (too expensive for me given I don't participate in any national shoots anymore) so I am persona non grata for any comms.
The attachment is the old limits (2010) from the NDACert. I just wish any changes would be versed in the same language as used in the original official document.
But still, I am no longer a member so of no concern for me.
Have a friend heading to the Spring Meeting who has just changed to a 7mmSAUM - he might be getting close.
Attachment 58931
Not that i can afford monolithic bullets (yet) but i'm curious as to why the NRA has an issue with them.
Doubt it's the NRA, prob the Army worried about ricochets.
They largely set the agenda..
Last shoot of the season tomorrow @ 1pm
You've answered your own question. Part of the reason is cost. TR shooting is about skill at arms. Putting shooters on a range using the same gear, calibre, and ammunition, then letting them get on with doing their best in the conditions that confront them. Because there is no longer a service rifle in use and also ammunition is no longer issued for most matches, the way that an attempt is made to make competition fair and affordable, is to specify a maximum bullet weight for the allowed calibres. Currently there are 3 projectiles with near identical BC. The NRANZ sells one of them for $44.50/100 to its members. In such a competition, projectile brand is unimportant. Everyone will be using a bullet that behaves in the same fashion with no obvious advantage.
These bullets are all conventional construction. Whenever a manufacturer comes out with a bullet with a higher BC than their competitors you can be assured that competitors will switch to the bullet that performs best in the wind. There are two monolithic .30 calibre bullets that I am aware of that have a huge advantage over the conventional swaged projectiles of 155gn.The advantage is around 2.5 moa. less wind drift at 1000 yards in a 10mph. wind. I don't have a NZ retail price but converting Warner's price gives a NZ equivalent of $110/100 without the traditional scalping that NZ retailers indulge in. When you consider that most club shooters get though 2000 or more rounds a season, such a cost increase just to stay competitive, would definitely put a dampener on proceedings. Add to that the need to rebarrel to shoot the longer bullet and you have Trademe full of used target rifles. The route to becoming a better shooter is time spent on a range, taking all the weather can throw at you, putting rounds down range. Cost is a component in how much people shoot. I suspect that this is one of the reasons why ICFRA, which sets the rules for international competition, has banned monolithic bullets. The NRANZ has adopted the ICFRA rules with only minor changes.
Another limitation is as 6X47 points out, is the certification of the range. Most big ranges in the Commonwealth as well as NZ are/were Defence ranges and are currently certified by reference to JSP.403 which bans AP or tracer from civilian use on these ranges, or any projectile that may have different ricochet characteristics than a lead bullet, or a jacketed lead bullet.
For sporting rifle or FTR and F class the bullet weight restrictions don't apply but the bullet construction restrictions still do.
Hope this is of help.
What is this range you speak of @BRADS ?
Hi Paddy,
There is a non-official range (safer place to shoot) set up behind the Higgin's Gravel yards on SH50.
There are 2 ranges, one 100yard requires booking and a fee (Paid at Rivers to Ranges), the other is a first in first served but is out to 400 yards.
It's good to book the 100 yard range, that way you know you can get straight into shooting rather than waiting. Also all money collected for the range hire goes back into the range. Hopefully we will see the venue improved if there is enough funds.
We need guys to start cleaning up the crap they are leaving down there, it's only going to take one muppet to ruin it for all.
We're kicking off the new season on the 2nd September. PM me if you're wanting to come out for a go :D
First shoot is this Saturday! Be at the range by 12:45 for a 1pm start.
Further to Kurt's offer of having a go, the Club has a scoped F-TR rifle and cheap ammo available for those wanting to try it out. The electronic targets alone are worth experiencing.
Best to contact Les and give him advance warning of your pending attendance if you want to use the Club rifle.
The new season has started. Head to the link in my sig to see the programme