Hey just wondering should I bulge bust my 40SW brass, and yes it’s for the glorious glock ;) I’ve read that I should not do it for my glock, gen two frame with gen 3 barrel.
Thoughts?
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Hey just wondering should I bulge bust my 40SW brass, and yes it’s for the glorious glock ;) I’ve read that I should not do it for my glock, gen two frame with gen 3 barrel.
Thoughts?
My own 0.02c
Don't reload 40 S&W and use in a factory Glock barrel, it doesn't provide enough support to the case. Plenty of photos on the internet of glocks and exploded cases in .40 S&W.
I use a G23 for IPSC, which has a Lone Wolf barrel in it which provides more support than a factory barrel. I always bulge bust my brass for it and also when I had an STI. Haven't had any issues yet but always visually inspect my sized, bulge busted brass before loading it.
Again this is just my 0.02c
you had an STI? penicillin normally fixes thatQuote:
Originally Posted by bluemonsta
I appreciate that early glocks had issues around not having enough support around the base of the case, But I am curious to know whether or not they addressed this issue and later barrels, as surely they would have addressed this problem? I have purchased about 500 cases and have noticed some of them have obvious bulges, however after Inspecting the cases fired from my glock I have not noticed any with bulges, however these have only been visual inspections. I know the barrel I have in my Glock 22 is not the original barrel and from what I was told it was from a gen three.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluemonsta
I appreciate that just by resizing my brass it will bring back the case to Near original size, which in itself will slightly stress the brass, how much extra would using a bulge buster increase that stress? Another silly question would be how much of an issue would be if I annealed the brass, admittedly a massive pain in the arse!
The only reason I bring up the annealing process is because I am noticing a massive variance in velocity I am achieving when I have run my load development over a chronograph, the only variation is the manufacturer of the brass, I am using a Dillon 550 press and have experienced some quite big variations in feet per second, and was wondering if this is a problem with using old brass that has been fired a number of times and that it has lost its neck tension? If that make sense.
Interesting. How much velocity variation are you seeing?
Have you done a comparison of a batch of new brass vs old to see if there is a consistent velocity difference?
I basically load a batch of 500 that I only use for practice. I just keep loading it until I get a split case or some other issue. I find a case that I can no longer read the headstamp clearly, will generally split or no longer pass a drop test in the next few loads, so I biff them.
I only load newish brass for competition and ensure that is running at PF during the winter. In turn knowing I will be above PF when most comps are scheduled during the warmer months. I still chrono to be safe and it is always higher than PF.
Might have to chromo my practice stuff to see if there is a major difference.
Might be a glock thing tho?
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Ok i need to preface what i have done, also ive been reloading for a wee while now. Ive shot FTR and am well aware of case volumes and neck tension, turning etc etc, ive even marked cases in the past at the 12 o'clock position on the base of the case to ensure the round was chambered in the same place ever shot, i even weighed cases bla bla.......
the cases im shooting in the 40SW glock are of a mixed assortment of manufacturing, i also am shooting 9mm BUT these are all once fired Speer cases, this is whats giving me a control group and have a smaller variance i.e
9mm String using ADI AP70N Dillion press
1045
1070
1049
1035
1070
1051
1048
my 40SW using ADI AP70N Dillion press
879
849
742
837
737
838
857
722
852
858
737
thought ok lets negate the press powder measure and dusted off the handy dandy RCBS Charge Master Combo, set it up left it for 30 mins and then calibrated. as i was after Major PF i went with the following loads
5 5.1 5.2
933 891 error
874 930 914
865 857 943
860 927 934
895 857 917
930
(having issues lining up the above but 930 is in the middle string at 5.1)
now as i have just sat down and done the maths, first two loads have a variance of 73fps which is interesting and the last 29, yes a shorter string with the last load but still makes me wonder a couple of things
my OAL is off the top of my head is 1.140 and this was done to reduce freeborn to rifling, and i assumed that in doing so would have reduced velocity and pressure, so has my reduction in case volume by increasing the powder charge "stabilised" the detonation of the powder and in turn given a better consistent FPS?
the pain in the butt is my preferred most accurate load is 4.9 and as you can imagine isn't within a bull roar of the PF im after!
actually after sitting down and writing this i think ive negated the brass haven't i !!!!!!!
so.......as im just going baby steps, do i retest with an OAL of 1.130, Then possibly a gentle increase of crimp.........or stop being a tight prick and get a different powder? and yes Bill if your reading this I KNOW ;)
@R93
This the wear I noticed at the time the rod snapped!
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To me that looks like damage from the slide hitting the mag lips. Or vise versa.
Worn mag catch or worn mag catch slots in magazine allowing mag to be seated higher than normal. Smashing mag into gun when slide locked back.
Could be wrong as you would normally see where the mag has hit the slide further back from speed reloads.
Edit: Just looked at a gen 4 19 I hide at the back of my safe.
I can't see how a mag would do that damage as on the 19 it is only plastic parts of the mag that could contact that area.
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OK educate an old fart. PF = ?
Power Factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
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Thanks. Relative to speed or knock down energy ( fps or ft lbs )?Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
Bullets mass x velocity divided by 1000 will give power factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
All to do with recoil impulse and scoring. Hence major and minor PF.
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Ok thanks. Just like most of my time at school
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Uncle Google is your friend Rushy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
Would explain it better than I could.
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I thought you shot 3 gun and stuff competitively or had a go etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
Yep so? Load firearms, shoot shit, have fun. That's me. Don't know how it works, never have and don't need to.Quote:
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Ah ok I thought there were rules and stuff.Quote:
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I dont shoot rattle or pistol .
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Back to Bugle Busting; I had a G35 Gen 4 beofre my current Para. As mentioned, the factory glock barrel doesn't support the entire 40 case. Therefore, it expands slighting just above the base when fired. If the same cases are being reloaded for the same glock, no problem. But if you are going to reload this brass to fit in a different gun, you will need to run it through a Bugle Buster to allow it to chamber in a "better" gun. ....................... "better" could be replaced with "a gun with a tighter chamber"
I had to do this after buying the Para as the brass fired from a glock just doesn't fit. Also, if you are buying once fired or second hand brass (as most 40S&W shooters do) and are using it in a non-Glock, you will need to run it though the Bugle buster.
I've also found that with the same load, the ammo that had an ES of 100fps in my Glock is actually only a ES of 35fps in the Para.
Bottom line is "a sloppy hole leaves a sloppy mess"
@Tertle If you have some brass you need sorted, either I can do it for you or you can borrow my buster
thanks i may take you up on the offer, but its all now "fire formed" to the Glock, and yes i appreciate that the bulge is only in one direction, however the bulged brass that i really noticed it on was the once fired, no so much from the cases fired from my G22, again im not sure if thats because its a gen3 barrel and some of the issues were addressed??? in the early models??Quote:
Originally Posted by Uplandstalker
thats really interesting around your ES too, and a little reassuring as it had me wondering WTF am i doing to get these results, however the ES settled with the higher case volume taken up by the powder.
just waiting for a half pie decent day so i can get down to the range and test fire some loads, using titegroup @ 4.5 4.6 4.7 OAL at around 1.130 give or take +.003 as testing two sets of projectiles!!!!
Busting the budge tonight! Have 1,000 once fired cases. All from Glocks by the look of them.
Most go though without any resistance, but worth the effort.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...9a0298ca76.jpg
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Reminds me to get some new brass (once fired) and to test some bulge busted loads.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Uplandstalker
I trust you know the right person at the club to buy the brass from?Sent from my SM-G930F using TapatalkQuote:
Originally Posted by Tertle
Yes, he’s a good bugger and has helped a heap, I’m actually really impressed with how helpful the pistol crowd have been in helping out a newbie, even a glock owner ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Uplandstalker
If anyone is going to help you even if you are a Glock shooter it's that good bugger :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tertle
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Have annoyed quite a few “good buggers” on this forum as well with emails that start, “so dumb question time” a few even own Glocks!! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by nzfubz
