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Thread: Abject Failure of Firearms License Screening - What Happened, or did not happen?

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    Abject Failure of Firearms License Screening - What Happened, or did not happen?

    From KiwiGunBlog, information from Joe Green, the former Police National Firearms Inspector.

    "This From Joe Green – a follow up from his recent opinion piece."

    "In my opinion piece published in the DomPost on 20 March 2019 I said that “Legislators would do well to begin with a close review of the firearms licensing process as it was applied to Friday’s offender. It is after all the mechanism by which he gained lawful access to firearms”.

    I now understand that the firearms licensing process as it was applied to the offender in the Christchurch shootings was compromised in that:

    The offender applied for his firearms licence in a Police District in which he might have an increased chance of getting it approved.

    It seems that there was no interview of the offender’s spouse, partner or next of kin (the person who knows them best).

    The process requires the interview of an unrelated referee. I understand that two people were interviewed. They knew the offender primarily through an on-line chat room. Both referees are recorded as saying the same.

    The offender declined to be interviewed at his home. He was interviewed at his place of work.

    There is doubt as to if a home visit and security inspection took place.

    It is apparent in the vetting process that the offender has no friends as such.

    This outlines a classic scenario for someone setting up to obtain a firearms licence for nefarious purposes, and because due process was not followed, he succeeded."
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    sounds about right,
    let down again by our thick blue line

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    In the case of an aussie getting a visitors license in NZ arent they supposed to have a license in their home country? (with the exception of Americans)

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    If I was a betting man I would bet ten bob to a knob of billy goat shit that this will not result in any admission of failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by widerange View Post
    sounds about right,
    let down again by our thick blue line
    seems o be a bit of a common theme there eh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rushy View Post
    If I was a betting man I would bet ten bob to a knob of billy goat shit that this will not result in any admission of failure.
    You win. Where do I send the knob of billy goat shit? I know where it should be sent.
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    If any of those points are indeed true, then there needs to be some serious questions asked.
    I assume there is at least some form of paper trail that would provide the answers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengy View Post
    If any of those points are indeed true, then there needs to be some serious questions asked.
    I assume there is at least some form of paper trail that would provide the answers
    Joe was just on the box saying the words Pengy. He is not the sort of fellah to say things without knowing he is correct.
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    It takes 43 muscle's to frown and 17 to smile, but only 3 for proper trigger pull.
    What more do we need? If we are above ground and breathing the rest is up to us!
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    If true, it sounds like the police not doing their job. What is the bet ( I can only offer cow or sheep shit , that they will say they didn't have enough money to do all the checks and follow up with the interviews with family as is required for the rest of us. They can always dodge the blame and they will say that with a law change it wont happen again and more funding for staff and checks etc... Oh and by the way guess how long it will be before they are routinely armed ?
    There is no way anyone should be able to get a firearms licence in NZ without being a citizen ( not residency, or any other configuration).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rushy View Post
    Joe was just on the box saying the words Pengy. He is not the sort of fellah to say things without knowing he is correct.
    What channel?

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    aren't canterbury ones armed already.
    I thought it was a bit curious how they got all gunned up a few weeks ago.
    supposedly because a couple of gangsters ran amuck for a day or so?
    really?
    I'm also curious as to why there were 2 cops standing outside the point england dairy this afternoon flirting with each other whilst cuddling an AR15 each
    maybe they(AR's) had just been surrendered by some of the local gangsters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve123 View Post
    What channel?
    Three.
    It takes 43 muscle's to frown and 17 to smile, but only 3 for proper trigger pull.
    What more do we need? If we are above ground and breathing the rest is up to us!
    Rule 1: Treat every firearm as loaded
    Rule 2: Always point firearms in a safe direction
    Rule 3: Load a firearm only when ready to fire
    Rule 4: Identify your target beyond all doubt
    Rule 5: Check your firing zone
    Rule 6: Store firearms and ammunition safely
    Rule 7: Avoid alcohol and drugs when handling firearms

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    Turns out the clowns also mucked the charge sheet up and put someone on it as a victim who wasn’t.

    Can’t help but feel total confidence in them eh?
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    So a foreign national who sporadically stays in Dunedin applies for licence in the Waikato and doesn't even get vetted? I'm making a tinfoil hijab to wear tomorrow.

 

 

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