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Thread: AR 15s as 22LR caliber only, are these banned?

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    AR 15s as 22LR caliber only, are these banned?

    Hi all,

    Reading the amendment a rimfire 22LR converted AR15 is still legal? or not? where to get legal advice?

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    I'm curious as to the legal answer to this as well, but I believe that since it contains a lower receiver that can be used to create a prohibited firearm that they are also contra band. But still this is a very grey area that we'll only have an answer to if it is tested in court.

    I think the key distinction is that the AR15 lower can be used on multiple uppers so it is prohibited by default. An AR15 pistol drip or stock can be used on multiple platforms so it is not prohibited if used with on a non prohibited rifle.
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    The legislation seems to contradict itself.
    It would seem to need a court ruling, however if it goes in favour of gun owners, you can bet your house the government will use the Henry VIII clauses in Sec 74a and 74b to have an Order in Council banning them by type.
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    believe that dedicated ones like smith and Wesson are ok but not 22 conversion as it can be changed back.

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    Smith and Wesson, Walther/Colt would be fine. Uppers and lowers aren't compatible with actual AR's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berg243 View Post
    believe that dedicated ones like smith and Wesson are ok but not 22 conversion as it can be changed back.
    Changed back with what? There won't be any other uppers around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by berg243 View Post
    believe that dedicated ones like smith and Wesson are ok but not 22 conversion as it can be changed back.
    That would mean a complete upper...ie I have a 22lr barrel and block back bolt assembly and a 10round mag. My reading is that is legal....however I odnt want to be the court case proving or dis-proving that one. Even if I "won" they'd just change the law anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steven View Post
    That would mean a complete upper...ie I have a 22lr barrel and block back bolt assembly and a 10round mag. My reading is that is legal....however I odnt want to be the court case proving or dis-proving that one. Even if I "won" they'd just change the law anyway.
    Parts of prohibited firearms are illegal. A part of a prohibited firearm includes ar15 uppers, lowers, bcg etc.
    If your .22 uses an ar15 lower its a no go.
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    Someone needs to design a polymer lower for the dedicated uppers with a fixed dummy buffer and tube, without the bolt hold catch and with a new raised part behind the trigger/safety that fills the gap behind the .22lr BCG, so a centrefire upper will no longer fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisW View Post
    Parts of prohibited firearms are illegal. A part of a prohibited firearm includes ar15 uppers, lowers, bcg etc.
    If your .22 uses an ar15 lower its a no go.
    Parts that allow semi auto fire.
    But the legislation also says .22 rimfire with a 10 or less magazine is not prohibited.
    Hence the contradiction and required clarity via court ruling or OIC banning by type.
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    Or just get a Ruger 10/22 and throw it in a chassis and be done with it.
    This is mine, still legal..... For now
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    Not trying to take the piss at all, just another option worth thinking about
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogmatix View Post
    Someone needs to design a polymer lower for the dedicated uppers with a fixed dummy buffer and tube, without the bolt hold catch and with a new raised part behind the trigger/safety that fills the gap behind the .22lr BCG, so a centrefire upper will no longer fit.
    Technically, that isnt hard to do in CAD and in fact a 3d printed lower would last quite well as 22LR is diddly shock load. The problem is the 22LR uses the AR15 upper forging so that has to be replaced as well as its part of the prohibited firearm I'd guess.

    That actually leaves me an out, I can dismember the upper and keep all the 22LR parts, mag and barrel as no way they can be modded to take 223 centre fire anything. I can even 3d print my own 10 round mags, LOL...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannyb View Post
    Or just get a Ruger 10/22 and throw it in a chassis and be done with it.
    This is mine, still legal..... For now
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    Not trying to take the piss at all, just another option worth thinking about
    Oh I know, did think on that one....not sure if I'd buy a 10/22 or some other 22lr semi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogmatix View Post
    Parts that allow semi auto fire.
    But the legislation also says .22 rimfire with a 10 or less magazine is not prohibited.
    Hence the contradiction and required clarity via court ruling or OIC banning by type.
    As per usual its been written by ppl trying to get around banning everything by splitting hairs that in the real world leaves gaps you can drive a train through.
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    The whole gun on a M&P-22 is polymer, parts aren't interchangeable, I.E you cannot slap a .223 upper with bcg on one.

 

 

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