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Thread: Gun lobby: With friends like this who needs enemies?

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    Gun lobby: With friends like this who needs enemies?

    From the Whaleoil blog, who have traditionally been very supportive of shooters and shooting. Even having a weekly Wednesday Weapons feature.

    Gun lobby: With friends like this who needs enemies?

    by Kevin on April 7, 2019 at 1:30pm

    Quote:Gun lobbyist said this is why ‘politicians get burnt’, Judith Collins said.

    In a call to Judith Collins’ office, gun rights enthusiast and blogger Mike Loder said “this is why politicians get burnt”, the former Minister said.

    Collins told Stuff the phone conversation was made when she was Police Minister in the National government. She said one of her staff was trying to clarify an Official Information Act request from Loder when the blogger got frustrated and made the comment.

    […]Loder was one of 20 submitters to air his views on the new gun laws introduced after 50 people died in attacks on two Christchurch mosques in March. He said the changes had the possibility to drive guns “underground”.


    During questions, Collins asked Loder if he thought he was a responsible proponent of the gun lobby, and he said yes.End of quote.

    Uh, no.

    Quote:She asked if he thought it was reasonable to phone up the office of the former minister of police and advise the staff member that the behaviour of the minister was the reason why some people burnt politicians.

    […]She followed up by asking if he considered himself to be a fit and proper person to hold a firearms licence.

    “It’s not a question, I am,” he said.End of quote.

    Fit and proper people don’t threaten politicians.

    Quote:Loder said the Christchurch shooter would have killed more people had he not used semi-automatic weapons because he would have used something like a truck bomb.

    He addressed Collins directly, saying she is wrong about the gun lobby “scaremongering”.

    He claimed it was the police association who were ones scaremongering.End of quote.

    A gunman commits mass murder and you want to put the focus on the cops? Really dude?

    Quoteuring questions committee chairman, Labour MP Michael Wood asked Loder to explain a blog post where he said the guns that would be banned were an essential tool of liberty.

    […]Wood went on to note that Loder had called Prime Minister Jacinda Arden a “tyrant” and that shadowy foreign forces were involved with gun control efforts.

    Loder said tyrants always supported gun control.

    “Can you understand, given what happened in Christchurch, why some of us may be concerned that you have a strong voice within the firearms community. Towards people who are armed with these military style semi-automatic weapons, and you are promoting what are effectively conspiracy theories that are listened to, often by people of white nationalist, extreme right wing agenda,” Wood said.

    Loder alleged that “deals were done” behind closed doors to get the support of rural groups, which he has called “scumbags”.

    […]He said the problem wasn’t people with gun licenses and instead pointed towards gangs and recidivism.

    He asked that police have control of the Arms Act taken away from them as they were not up to the job, he claimed.End of quote.

    Politics is about the art of compromise. Right now, the gun lobby is in the shit. If they were willing to compromise they could prevent the guns from being banned by, say, simply proposing if you have an E category AND a B category license AND participate in regular competition you can keep your guns. But of course they won’t.

    Their unwillingness to be reasonable makes everyone else able to discount them.

    And with people like this guy representing them, who needs enemies?

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    Utter bollox.
    If compromise was even on the table, then interested stakeholders would be consulted and due process take place. What took place in the interview with Loder was a complete deaf ear to his concerns, legit or otherwise. They were predetermined to do a character assassination on him.

    Until the police give the whole story about the possible failures in the vetting process that allowed the event in question to take place, the I for one wont be trusting them or our govt
    Forgotmaboltagain+1

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    systolic old bean youre a bit like a used condom on a convent floor -obviously there but a lot are ignoring you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by systolic View Post
    From the Whaleoil blog, who have traditionally been very supportive of shooters and shooting. Even having a weekly Wednesday Weapons feature.

    Gun lobby: With friends like systolic who needs enemies?
    Fixed it for ya
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    watched the select committee video with ML.
    He came across as a nutter who lacked self control.

    He had some good points but they got lost. I did notice that after one question about his facts no one took issue with the data he provided.
    They just moved to destroy his credibility which he made it all too easy for them to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZQLewis View Post
    watched the select committee video with ML.
    He came across as a nutter who lacked self control.

    He had some good points but they got lost. I did notice that after one question about his facts no one took issue with the data he provided.
    They just moved to destroy his credibility which he made it all too easy for them to do.
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    Yeah, good content, bad delivery

 

 

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