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    A Better Lover Than A Shooter Ultimitsu's Avatar
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    My proposal for gun law change

    Things I take into account-

    1, gun law has to change.
    2, laws on semis will get tougher, more likely than not, banned.
    3, good law abiding gun owners have invested a lot of money in their guns. Gun shops have big money tied in stock.
    4, the public demands some tangible and noticeable tightening of gun laws. Like it or not high capacity mags are now the number 1 blamed culprit.
    5, too many people own 22lr semis. while they can still be lethal, due to lack of stopping power they are unlikely to be effective in an attack similar to what just happened. i.e., being able to take down large number of adults in short time frame.

    What I would see as a fair and reasonable change taking into account the above:

    1, immediate ceasation of all importation of semis and e-cat capacity mags.
    2, mandatory registration of all existing semis
    3, mandatory surrender of e-cat capacity mags, or irreversable modding of such mags into a-cat.
    4, all retailers have 6 months to clear existing stock of semi, and all e-cat mags must be immediately modified into a-cat to sell.
    5, all private owners have 6 months to sell existing semis if they wish. After that semis cannot be sold as a whole gun or the action. Trigger, stock, barrel, a-cat mags can be sold.
    6, after 6 months, if an owner no longer wishes to keep the semi, or the semi action, it can be surremdered to the police. it cannot be sold or gifted. but can be inherited to a FAL holder.
    7, a-cat 22lr semis are exempt from the above proposed changes.

    This way no one hads to lose their guns, while guns are controlled and hopefully crazies will not be able to get hold of 'assault weapons' anymore.

    I feel a discussion among gun owners as to what gun law change is acceptable and practical is going to be useful.

    Lets keep it civil.
    Last edited by Ultimitsu; 17-03-2019 at 04:25 PM.
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    None of it will ever stop evil people doing evil things. They will simply find alternate methods or softer targets. No amount of legislation or banning things will change this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan View Post
    None of it will ever stop evil people doing evil things. They will simply find alternate methods or softer targets. No amount of legislation or banning things will change this.
    I agree.

    The only times registration of firearms has been of any benefit with crimes is when that registration list has been accessed as a shopping list for gangs. This is documented fact. The benefit has only been for the gangs.

    Any changes should NOT happen quickly as happened after Aramoana. That has proven true ever since, those laws were just a mess, and this latest tragedy shows that those changes have not worked. Registration will not work. Cool well informed and rational heads are required to make these changes whatever they are. The perpetrator was very calculated and, as he himself stated, could have used all manner of means to fulfil his terrible plan.
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    Sounds like we're going to run out of buses to throw each other under.

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    While those sentiments are essentially true; it is probably appropriate to have ownets of centrfire semis have to justify their need. Eg specialist culling or specialist club formalised competitionssimilar to pistol clubs.
    Shotguns?- well go back to pinned mags. This had already occurred in some F&G regions.
    I cant see any justification for large capacity mags on semis at all, personally.
    Bolt action rimfire and centrefire with up to 10 shot mag I have no objection to. This configuration is enough for rwcreational hunting and target / competitions of most disciplines in my view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banana View Post
    Sounds like we're going to run out of buses to throw each other under.
    That first post reads pretty much what I expected of the poster, and your comment is pretty much hits the nail on the head exactly as to what will happen given we have seen it happen before time and again.

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    The amount of non compliance that's going to happen will make all of that worthless, going by what happened in Oz (look it up, it ain't pretty). I will play ball of course, my livelihood depends on me being a fit and proper person, and there is no way I would jeopardise that, but there are 275000 people with an A cat FAL in NZ, and even if half have a semi auto, and 25% don't do what they are supposed to do, you're looking at nearly 40k people. Assume just one firearm each, that's a 40,000 firearms straight into a grey market, and a portion of that into the black market. That's nearly one for every five adults in NZ, and the true figure will likely be higher. The implications of what they are talking about are enormous, we will end up going backwards, the opposite of the intended result, it's absolute madness. And still madmen like Tarrant will be able to do what they want to do. What we have/had is/was near perfect, this poisonous piece of shit was an anomaly that wasn't picked up for whatever reason, and changing the laws will do nothing to stop another like him, and in fact will make it even easier for it to happen again in my opinion. I know there is no easy answer, but it is what it is, and reality is what we have. I don't doubt we as a country are about to do something really really stupid in the coming weeks/months. Imagine all the current feral gun crime, with cut down stolen 22s and shotguns and the like (that isn't punished worth a damn), and then think about what's coming. Multiply that with the wave of meth that seems to never stop getting worse, and we are in for a pretty horrific ride to be honest, it's rather scary what is on the horizon.
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    Guys since Friday we have begun to sound like a bunch of naughty kids caught in the act who are trying to offer to do more chores out of a desperation to stop their parents taking away their phones. We have done nothing wrong. We did not contribute in any way to the heinous and cowardly attack on innocent people that occurred in Christchurch. We need to stop, think and then contribute to meaningful well reasoned discussion as to what was missed or what more could have been done at the point of failure which in my opinion was at the vetting that led to the issue of a Firearms License to a man that was very likely at that very point in time the same cold and calculating hate filled killer that he acted out as last Friday. Yes things are bound to change for us and I hope it results in preventing what happened on Friday from ever happening again but if we run around like a bunch of headless chooks offering to lop the arms off of ourselves then someone is going to say “you know what, these guys think they should cut off their arms so they can’t pull triggers so why don’t we just legislate for that to happen”. None of us want the government to react by knee jerking but what I have been seeing on here since Friday is our very own knees jerking all over the show. I’ll give you all the same advice I would give to a young inexperienced deer hunter - slow down and when you think you are going slow enough slow down some more.
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    I have joined COLFO today, as based on what i heard on TV (might have been Nicola McKee? Heard but didnt see it), they seem to be doing what I believe needs to be done - supporting and even suggesting changes that will help avoid something like this ever happening again, while also making calm, reasoned arguments against changes that will have little or no effect.

    The politicians will not listen to me no matter what I say or how loud I say it, I'm better off supporting a voice that may be listened to.

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    spot on Rushy ,spot on...devide n conquer will see us sell our own Grandmothers down the river...
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    Hate to say it but this has played right into young Cindy’s hands, the left are going to have a field day. I reckon the decision will be swift and severe, they will be out to catch votes and increase there popularity, the housing crisis will take a back seat, National won’t get a look in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody View Post
    While those sentiments are essentially true; it is probably appropriate to have ownets of centrfire semis have to justify their need. Eg specialist culling or specialist club formalised competitionssimilar to pistol clubs.
    Shotguns?- well go back to pinned mags. This had already occurred in some F&G regions.
    I cant see any justification for large capacity mags on semis at all, personally.
    Bolt action rimfire and centrefire with up to 10 shot mag I have no objection to. This configuration is enough for rwcreational hunting and target / competitions of most disciplines in my view.
    I feel that if you are not suitable to handle a semi auto then your not fit for any firearm. Saying this none of my centre fire semi's hold more than 4 rounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 300winmag View Post
    Hate to say it but this has played right into young Cindy’s hands, the left are going to have a field day. I reckon the decision will be swift and severe, they will be out to catch votes and increase there popularity, the housing crisis will take a back seat, National won’t get a look in.
    Think you may be on the right track, but Winnie won't throw us all under the bus, eh.

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    slow down and when you think you are going slow enough slow down some more
    sounds like something your wife would say to you at @Rushy during fun bedroom times hahaha
    im sorry but things a bit tense so a good ol laugh cant hurt?
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    if you can't be trusted with a semi-auto then you shouldn't have any firearm, vetting unsuitable persons should be the focus however it's very difficult to actually do meaningfully, the process is a bit of a joke currently, get your mum and a mate to say you're not a gang member on meth and you're away if you haven't committed any serious crimes in the past, and I'm not sure how you'd improve it in a real sense

 

 

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