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    It's really not good enough. It should be black and white what we can and cannot do to avoid going to jail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody View Post
    Noted @ChrisW. You are probly correct but it may be a grey area worthy of appeal by those with older rifles. I suggest this because the second tranche may have tge powers to add subclauses and exclusions to both the O IN C and the first tranche. I just have a gut feeling they may be getting "sensitized" by now.
    I’m pretty sure the OIC no longer applies, it was cancelled/expired when the first lot of amendments became law.
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    The amnesty is six months so its wise to bide your time.
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    I get that it is frustrating given the level of "interpretation" required to understand the law, which IMO, is written poorly. But dealers up and down the country are currently seeking conformation about parts on non prohibited firearms and have been given the green light. For now.

    It would be ludicrous to undo something like that so soon after businesses are seeking advice to keep within the law.
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    Maybe so but in light of what has already transpired, nothing would surprise me !
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    In this Act, unless the context otherwise requires, prohibited part means—a component that can be applied to enable, or take significant steps towards enabling, a firearm to be fired with, or near to, a semi-automatic or automatic action.

    Correction surely required:

    In this Act, unless the context otherwise requires, prohibited part means—a component that can be applied to enable, or take significant steps towards enabling, a [CENTREFIRE] firearm [OTHER THAN A PISTOL] to be fired with, or near to, a semi-automatic or automatic action.


    Also:

    "Prohibited firearm means the following firearms: a semi-automatic firearm (except a pistol), other than a semi-automatic firearm that is capable of firing only 0.22 calibre or less rimfire cartridges and that has a magazine, whether or not detachable or otherwise externally fed, that is capable of holding no more than 10 cartridges commensurate with that firearm’s chamber size:"


    This is saying that a centrefire firearm, other than a .22 or less rimfire, is prohibited if it has a mag >10. I thought all centrefire semi rifles were banned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis View Post
    https://www.parliament.nz/resource/e...a0b09c01d39457

    Try this link for a flow chart.

    I'm still confused over some things.

    Are .22 rimfire rifles exempt from the "prohibited parts" definition? Some examples:

    You have a 10/22. This rifle has been used as an example of a firearm that is exempt. But - the trigger components can be used to make functional a Ruger PC9; a prohibited firearm. Are these now prohibited parts?

    Also, the barrel in your 10/22 can be fitted to a Kriss Defiance upper receiver (uses standard AR receivers, which I'm guessing are prohibited parts). Is your barrel therefore a prohibited part?

    Regarding the S&W MP15-22, the trigger group can be used in a centrefire AR15. Does this mean you are in possession of prohibited parts if you have one of these rifles?
    The trigger group doen't make it fire semi auto same as the barrel. Only the AR15 receiver and blow back system would be prohibited.

    Same as any device in the stock or otherwise that would replicate close to semi auto fire rates. That one could be difficult to define.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordo View Post
    The trigger group doen't make it fire semi auto same as the barrel. Only the AR15 receiver and blow back system would be prohibited.

    Same as any device in the stock or otherwise that would replicate close to semi auto fire rates. That one could be difficult to define.

    Blow back system I agree with. The receiver I don't.

    The receiver doesn't do anything but hold the other parts. You can make a pump/bolt action AR with a receiver.

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    Did anyone get an email from police today outlining the new rules and what action needs to be taken. I got this.

    Hello,

    As a current or former holder of a New Zealand firearms licence you should be aware of new legislation amending our firearms laws which came into effect on Friday 12 April, 2019.

    Police are working through what impact these changes may have on you. The most significant change is prohibiting most semi-automatic firearms, parts, and large-capacity magazines.


    Amnesty period
    There is now an amnesty in place for at least six months. The purpose of the amnesty is to provide you with reasonable time to notify Police that you possess prohibited items.

    This period of time is also to enable some people to apply for an exemption to possess prohibited items (e.g. Dealers, Collectors and people involved in wild animal and animal pest control). The online notification form enables people to show an intent to apply for an exemption.

    Please note, the amnesty period is not to allow for the continued use of these prohibited firearms.

    During the amnesty period you should:
    Continue to maintain the safe and secure storage of your firearms – DO NOT bring them into a police station (unless you have specifically made prior arrangements with Police to do so).
    Visit the page Changes to Firearms Law - Prohibited Firearms (http://www.police.govt.nz/advice/fir...bited-firearms) on the police website. Once there, scroll down to locate and complete the online notification form.
    Be aware that the collection of firearms will occur at a later stage and you will be advised in due course of the process for this.
    Keep an eye on the Police website where information will be kept updated.
    (Please note if you have already completed a notification form you do not need to complete another one on receipt of this email).

    Noting the above, a number of licence and/or endorsement holders may now find they are in possession of prohibited firearms, parts, or large-capacity magazines. The table below outlines what you need to note or do now:

    Licence / Endorsement What's Changed Action you need to take What Police will do
    All licence holders You may be impacted by the law change
    Continue to store your firearm/s safely and securely.

    If you have a prohibited firearm, magazine or part, complete the Police Online Notification Form outlining your intent to hand in your firearm/s.
    Please keep an eye on the website for updates.

    Police will contact you about the process for handing in your firearms once it is finalised.
    Formerly E-endorsed licence holders You are impacted by the law change. This category no longer exists
    Continue to store your firearm/s safely and securely.

    Complete the Police Online Notification Form outlining your intent to hand in your semi-automatic firearm/s and be part of the yet to be announced buy-back scheme.

    Please keep an eye on the website for updates.

    Police will contact you about the process for handing in your firearms once it is finalised.
    Pistols No change No action required Licensing systems and processes remain as is.
    Collectors You may be impacted by the law change
    Continue to store your firearm/s safely and securely.

    At this stage you are not required to complete the Police Online Firearm Notification Form.

    Please keep an eye on the website for updates.

    Police will notify you, and let you know when to complete the Police Online Firearm Notification Form.
    D - Dealers You may be impacted by the law change
    Continue to store your firearm/s safely and securely.

    Please keep an eye on the website for updates.

    Police are developing the process for you to hand in your prohibited items. We will be in contact with you in due course.
    Pest controllers holding newly prohibited items You may be impacted by the law change
    Continue to store your firearm/s safely and securely.

    Complete the Police Online Notification Form ensuring you tick the Pest Control box.

    Please keep an eye on the website for updates.

    Processes for applying for an endorsement are being developed. Police will update information on its website.
    We know you may have questions, especially relating to a buy-back and how this will work. These details are being worked through and will be announced in due course.

    Please note there is a list of questions and answers on the Police website. This list will be updated as more information becomes known.

    If this news and the speed of these changes are causing anxiety or stress for you, think about getting support by calling or texting 1737 anytime, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week to talk it through with a trained counsellor 1737.org.nz

    Please do not reply to this email. The email address is not monitored.


    Kind regards
    Mike Clement
    Deputy Commissioner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordite View Post
    In this Act, unless the context otherwise requires, prohibited part means—a component that can be applied to enable, or take significant steps towards enabling, a firearm to be fired with, or near to, a semi-automatic or automatic action.

    Correction surely required:

    In this Act, unless the context otherwise requires, prohibited part means—a component that can be applied to enable, or take significant steps towards enabling, a [CENTREFIRE] firearm [OTHER THAN A PISTOL] to be fired with, or near to, a semi-automatic or automatic action.


    Also:

    "Prohibited firearm means the following firearms: a semi-automatic firearm (except a pistol), other than a semi-automatic firearm that is capable of firing only 0.22 calibre or less rimfire cartridges and that has a magazine, whether or not detachable or otherwise externally fed, that is capable of holding no more than 10 cartridges commensurate with that firearm’s chamber size:"


    This is saying that a centrefire firearm, other than a .22 or less rimfire, is prohibited if it has a mag >10. I thought all centrefire semi rifles were banned.
    All centrefire semis are banned, .22 or less rimfires with a mag >10 are too. The magazine capacity phrase is part of the rimfire description. Note the wording "0.22 calibre or less rimfire cartridges and that has a magazine..."

 

 

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