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    By Order in Council

    What I don't understand is they appear to have had the ability to make AR15's into MSSAs anytime they wanted:

    Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms and Import Controls) Amendment Act 2012 No 117, Public Act – New Zealand Legislation

    “74AOrders relating to military style semi-automatic firearms

    The Governor-General may by Order in Council do any or all of the following things:

    “(a)describe a kind of component as a pistol grip for the purposes of the definition in section 2 of military style semi-automatic firearm:

    “(b)declare semi-automatic firearms (other than pistols) of a stated make and model to be military style semi-automatic firearms for the purposes of this Act:

    “(c)declare semi-automatic firearms (other than pistols) of a stated description to be military style semi-automatic firearms for the purposes of this Act:

    “(d)define or describe features of a semi-automatic firearm (other than a pistol) as features of a military style semi-automatic firearm for the purposes of this Act.

    Surely they dropped the ball and we're about to pay for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Recoil View Post
    What I don't understand is they appear to have had the ability to make AR15's into MSSAs anytime they wanted:

    Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms and Import Controls) Amendment Act 2012 No 117, Public Act – New Zealand Legislation

    “74AOrders relating to military style semi-automatic firearms

    The Governor-General may by Order in Council do any or all of the following things:

    “(a)describe a kind of component as a pistol grip for the purposes of the definition in section 2 of military style semi-automatic firearm:

    “(b)declare semi-automatic firearms (other than pistols) of a stated make and model to be military style semi-automatic firearms for the purposes of this Act:

    “(c)declare semi-automatic firearms (other than pistols) of a stated description to be military style semi-automatic firearms for the purposes of this Act:

    “(d)define or describe features of a semi-automatic firearm (other than a pistol) as features of a military style semi-automatic firearm for the purposes of this Act.

    Surely they dropped the ball and we're about to pay for it?
    Yep. Business as usual.
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    too busy burning $50k of aircraft fuel in a day so rugrat gets to feed at night.
    or finding builders to build 100,000 houses or plant 10 million trees.
    oh well at least plastic bags are banned so now i have to import them from ali express
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    This has been the trump card since the Arms Act amendment. It hasn't been used, as the government didn't see the need until now.
    Others with a legal background have said this is likely to be used in 9 days time when the government makes its announcement.
    The same same tool can actually be used to declare any weapon, whether a firearm or not, by the Governor-General by Order in Council to be a restricted weapon (ie C-Cat). Not just a MSSA.
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    Sooo.... speculating. Sorry as I can't resist.

    All semis might be all made MSSAs? Nah, that doesn't eliminate them.

    Make all semis, including current MSSAs restricted weapons? Yeah, now we are talking. Give owners the option of getting a C-Cat license to keep them, or surrender them up. To keep they have to become non live ammo firing only and increased security.
    Who wants a gun you cant fire live ammo from?

    That way they don't have to pay compensation like in 1993. As owners have an option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Recoil View Post
    What I don't understand is they appear to have had the ability to make AR15's into MSSAs anytime they wanted:

    Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms and Import Controls) Amendment Act 2012 No 117, Public Act – New Zealand Legislation

    “74AOrders relating to military style semi-automatic firearms

    The Governor-General may by Order in Council do any or all of the following things:

    “(a)describe a kind of component as a pistol grip for the purposes of the definition in section 2 of military style semi-automatic firearm:

    “(b)declare semi-automatic firearms (other than pistols) of a stated make and model to be military style semi-automatic firearms for the purposes of this Act:

    “(c)declare semi-automatic firearms (other than pistols) of a stated description to be military style semi-automatic firearms for the purposes of this Act:

    “(d)define or describe features of a semi-automatic firearm (other than a pistol) as features of a military style semi-automatic firearm for the purposes of this Act.

    Surely they dropped the ball and we're about to pay for it?
    Interesting, I wasn't aware of that.

    So even without naming specific makes and models, under (d) they could have simply defined 'having compatible large (E-cat) capacity magazines available' as an MSSA feature, and that would have been that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogmatix View Post
    The same same tool can actually be used to declare any weapon, whether a firearm or not, by the Governor-General by Order in Council to be a restricted weapon (ie C-Cat). Not just a MSSA.
    That's under Section 4:

    Arms Act 1983 No 44 (as at 01 October 2018), Public Act 4 Power to declare weapons to be restricted weapons or specially dangerous airguns – New Zealand Legislation
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    As I read it any order so made under section 74 a or b expires after 12 months unless ratified by act of parliament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogmatix View Post
    Sooo.... speculating. Sorry as I can't resist.

    All semis might be all made MSSAs? Nah, that doesn't eliminate them.

    Make all semis, including current MSSAs restricted weapons? Yeah, now we are talking. Give owners the option of getting a C-Cat license to keep them, or surrender them up. To keep they have to become non live ammo firing only and increased security.
    Who wants a gun you cant fire live ammo from?

    That way they don't have to pay compensation like in 1993. As owners have an option.
    Why does it need extra security if it can fire real ammo

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    Cant

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    They still function, but only allowed to fire blanks at organised display events.
    When stored away, they have to be disabled.
    Welcome to Sako club.

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    Do any of these twits understand firearms at all?
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    Boom, cough,cough,cough

 

 

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