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Nobody here in this discussion will argue with that. Breeding to a confirmation standard alone is a quick way to ruin, it is well documented in many breeds. Nobody here was discussing that. The...

No, those indians were simply selecting the best. Just like Kawhia is about to do :)

Sit down before you hurt yourself bud.

And as for this part, don't belittle the other readers. We are talking within the same clade at least.

again, post 28

"Its only in the last 200 years or so this disturbing sport of competing to produce the most identical mutant sprung up in England. This is not the origin of good dogs, just a weird...

this quoting you, post 19 in the other thread:

"The rise of this style of breeding in the last few hundred years coincides with a change in social philosophy. The scientific attitude that animals...

This here is Teosinte.

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It is a wild type grass, of the Zea family. It is the modern progenitor of every type of corn on the...

Tahr touched on the same thing in the previous thread Ethos just summed up. This is not a natural system, these are species that solely exist because of our intervention.

Breeding a white dog of...

So after all these pages of your emotion filled tirades, completely devoid of fact or reason, you still didn't answer the question Tussock. How do you think we arrived at all these diverse types in...

Absolutely. Some folk would find applying such selection 'ruthless' however :P

As for special temperaments, why did you lock the conversation? A whole lot of projection going on there.

Cry all you want. My breed is fine, yours has 50 years max :)

Actually it may as well be a longline, with the amount of trolling I'm doing this morning!

It's a handline, I'm fishing in shallow waters :D

Hook line and sinker :thumbsup:

I think we should cross the bulldog to the working pointer as it is robust and healthy, with many individuals going 15 years. In fact I know of one who died last month, a son of the great Wingfield...