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without wanting to sound pedantic i dont think doc think thier shit through.
thier permits states ''you must use steel shot on te waihora'' no mention of equally legal alternatives.
they do make...

id be interested to stug night shooting of ducks can close especialy at if you can see them their close time of night.

if only it were that easy theres the danger of dealing with primed cases and extra pressure steel shot creates as if it wasnt suicidal enough to try in the first place:D

over confidence and shot congradulation.
thats why the very next bird ,after the ripper shot,closer backpeddling nicely into the dekes you miss cold once twice thrice:D

it seems someone like...

thats not gonna happen gq we need thier permits whatever the rules they make they dont make things easy tho on us or themselves with this last minute carryon.
lets leave it there as far bad feeling...

DONT KNOW THAT I AGREE THERE GQ
doc administer access to the activity while f&8g administer the actual activity.
any way whatever im semi sorted tho im pickin steel 2,s in the 20 will perform much...

nothing nowhere feck:oh noes:
you might have to loan me that o/u of andys when i go to the lake:yaeh am not durnk:

feckin doc and thier last minute policy changes :pissed off::oh noes::ORLY:
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ballingers had black cloud 20 gauge lead but told me nobodys bringing in 20 gauge steel cos the performance was crap :oh noes:
will try eleys agents or matbe h&f got sopme by mistake for thier eley...

oh well a box or 2 for the lake shouldnt kill me was it 3 inch or 2 3/4 the had mikee.

yes just not on doc land under thier non toxic shot only permits
anyone got a idea where i can source 20 gauge non toxic suitable for ducks and geese im not having much joy from the usual...

i appreciate the offer gsp but we have a rather interesting river pond or 2 but please consider it reciprocated if you find yourself down rakaia way twiddling your trigger finger :D
and yes i think...

nothing wrong with lofty visions for lakes and cleaning it up and if i can get 20gauge steel i,l follow thier rule.
if i cant i.l stay away till i can follow the permit rules:ORLY:

ross is doc...

yep im trying to track some 20 gauge steel now all day in fact:D


speaking from personel experience mike??:wtfsmilie:
perish the thought mike given how diplomatic and concillatory you,ve...

certainly but just letting sub gauge users know that there permits which state non toxic shot means them to.
cos the f&g exemption doesnt apply on doc land even tho its ''public land''

as simple...

just to be clear if you shoot on any part of lake ellesmere that is not private you now have legally no place that you can use subgauge lead.

so be careful

my understanding is that the non toxic shot only rule was an oversight and that permits there had been amended to bring them inline with f&g rules.
well apparently not as ive just spent 15 minutes...