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I know these massive stags are not everyone's cup of tea. I agree that a nice wild 12 or 14 pointer red is the pinicle and a proper trophy. I love them too.

On the other hand I do like seeing what...

Looks like a Venator stag.

They normally die from the weight when in Valvet. Jusy from my quick look, it looks like some of those points up in the royals could be measured back down to the bur...