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Very good question and from the little I have seen the jury is still out.

Agreed Ethos but that requires falling to the side of the genetic component. Which even some of the vets seem to be split on.

Understood and agreed. However, I would make the point the PENNHIP system is superior by virtue of the fact the first system had no use whatsoever, which still leaves us to ascertain to what level...

A spaniel whose owner doesn't hit very much. :pissed off:

Very good questions! (Bear in mind I am deliberately being tongue in cheek with some of my ideas and am not, deliberately, trying to be a smart-arse)


I don't think when they train vets they take...

In the vast majority of instances, if it is in a show ring it is not fit for purpose. How long would Thoroughbreds last as "fit for purpose" if we changed the Melbourne Cup to the horses simply...

None of that makes any change to what I have stated for me. I've said my bit.

NZVA? No vested interest there.

I think that after 50 years it i safe to assume it's not that simple. My concern is, it may be... perhaps it is being complicated beyond recognition... right now, who knows?????

It remains an interesting and worthwhile discussion/debate! :thumbsup:

You can find a statistic to suits your ends Jason, it still misses the point. I accept you are bound by regulation to test under the German system, but that doesn't surprise me, despite the evidence,...

Yes, many breeders use x-rays even though the reality and science shows it is very inexact and making no difference to anything. Your last sentence is an indicator, to me at least, why you are...

I wouldn;t breed any carrier or sufferer of any genetic condition I was aware of. I, personally, am against even breeding carriers to clears.... My problem in this isntance is that I am not convinced...

I think the term "working" is being taken to an extreme here, though it certainly applies and my knowledge of working sheep dogs is enough for me to know the true prevalence in a general fashion, but...

What both these last two posts completely ignore is the other side of the coin, as presented by Mortensen and others that the X-Ray diagnosis appears to be inaccurate and flawed. The comment about...

In the gundog breeds it is interesting to note that HD is apparent in show spaniels, but virtually unknown in working spaniels.

Hopefully without starting a war, the evidence of how effective...

I'm unaware of this progress, most of the research points to virtually no change in incidence regardless of 50 years of testing and people such as Dr. Leon Mortensen have demonstrated some very...

Now we're making sense, no one knows specifically the cause and the instance of HD is not restricted, or even swayed towards, obese dogs. The research is largely telling us we still haven;t got a...

I suggest reading again with your blinkers off. People have been told all manner of crap regarding HD over the years, much of which has been disproved. In 50 years of testing using X-Ray to diagnose...

Apparently not.

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