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I accept that, but we've done it... ion this line.

I understand your line breeding contention, we just disagree it's the way to go, I'm ok with that.

I have been thinking about the "harder"...

What we have in NZ is better than what is available overseas in my opinion.

No I'll cull before that age. ;)

Pretty much what i was thinking.... :D

Looks like that bitch is gone, but another one of brick granddaughters might be available (Until I talk to some folks I forget how much action the old...

I never have an issue with your posts Jim, I know your intent in good and you are all about better dogs, we have that in common... , the ones that get my back up are where i see agendas.... not for...

To put that in perspective... The bitch has every quality i would want in a dog... except she's soft... I can put that back with the right sire and produce all of her qualities with a better workable...

No it's always something... sometimes people just don;t know enough to know what it is! :D

A cross breed, while often a useful hunter really represents no value to me at all... primarily because my focus is improving dogs... crossing will produce one generation with hybrid vigour and no...

Jim never really bred on paper at all, he just had limits he used to ensure genetic integrity... and succeed to produce a line that has, as far as I am aware not a single genetic fault in ages....
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I agree, I have no doubt Cheyenne has the right bloodlines to produce with the right sire... It's just one of my guiding principles I won;t closer than grandparants... I understand why others do, but...

Hales, sorry you seem to be misunderstanding... I did say above he has sired over 80 puppies... the main issue is that I wouldn;t have personally selected the respective bitches for him... the bitch...

Looks like I will be using the one son who not only hunts like but is a dead ringer... let's see how we go, will hang in there for a while.

read it, not the way I would go because you are left at a dead end with only a massive outcross as your next option... I want another "like" him, not another him... I follow Jim Clarke's methodology...

Pretty much... some are, some just seem it....

I'll never go closer than Grand relations, I might go back but am closer to walking away from dogs altogether at the moment....

I totally accept there are other methods out there... wait for the post or the article... Wirehunt, I can't put everything down in minute detail, but I have put a lot here to absorb, to be fair...

His breeding days are done Jim.

That's one take, perhaps I was meant to explain everything that has happened to him in the 11 years I've had him... I think if you were more secure, and less inclined to just "take a shot" we'd...

Brian, don't be a dickhead... a spaniel and a setter are no different to control or handle, to think the range makes a difference only shows how little some people understand about training a dog.......

Priceless advioce... HE'S 12, or do you only read some bits?

(The NZPOLICE have tried to get semen from him since he was 9!!!) FAIL!

Seriously considering a change to a different breed.... pointer, setter, versatile, different spaniel? where do I go... here is my conundrum.....

I have had the pleasure to work with hundreds of...