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Nope.

Is there any reason to suspect that DOC makes any profit on any ballot in any year?

It's more correct and fair actually to say that DOC has failed to utilise recreational hunters as a management tool to meet these objectives, rather than blaming recreational hunters who have no...

An interesting question relating to wild animal management for hunters is "what do you think should be done regarding tahr outside the feral range specified by the HTCP" ?

I.e. the introductions,...

One important observation relevant to this thread is this chart - ungulates are increasing in occupancy, i.e. are found in more places across public land (any individual site on the scale of the...

It's also horrifically complicated to find, but there is an interactive map generated that plots all the FPI data as heat maps, either plot level/park level so you can visually see where ungulate...

In general, most DOC district offices don't have any formal wild animal monitoring programmes to inform answers to this sort of question. Individual staff may have personal anecdotal knowledge but...

Language is important, words have power, and may have connotations outside of what we intend.


I feel that it's wise to avoid referring to deer or other wild animals as pests (they're legally...

DOC is probably the biggest supporter (in policy/advocacy terms, not financial) of continued WARO (As a generalisation at an organisation level), largely based around the belief that it is a critical...

I don't think the statement that is commonly made that recreational hunters can't manage deer numbers is necessarily accurate; a more accurate way to describe the situation in the Sumner RHA or...

Really need to define what sort of outcome(s) you want to achieve first

I've added an addendum to the thread title so it's more obvious what it's actually about, as I think there is value in having these discussions and all of us as hunters being involved

It's very kind of you to refer to me as eloquent (I was inelegantly referring to myself as wordy, not you)

The converse is also generally true which makes it a real challenge.

I think this is also what I'm saying but much more wordily

It could work, and is actually probably technically possible under current legislation, if:

You included an evidence based management plan to improve ecological outcomes over the current...

A good and factually correct point.

Subsidised access flights for hunters are unfortunately very poor management economics compared to subsidised WARO, especially for deer more so than tahr or goats.

It's difficult to overcome 90 years of distrust and poor relationships between hunters and the various agencies culminating in DOC that have been charged with managing wild animals. Hunter led groups...

I did, I will reserve judgement until I see what their actual proposal was and talk to some people.



Commercial interests are unfortunately highly over-represented in the tahr foundation.

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I personally shot 5 deer on public land in 2020, and they were 2 male 3 female, so I am probably not quite practicing what I preach yet!



There isn't good understanding of impacts of WARO or...

One note on the Pittman-Robertson act type revenue. Shooters who are not hunters may be upset at the idea of funding hunting management.

1: In the US, a reasonable percentage of this federal tax...

Those people are probably largely not chasing hinds specifically, but for the last 10-20 years excluding some short intervals, there will have been some component of WARO take of hinds on top of rec...

I was appreciating somehow having a complex, relatively intelligent conversation about nuanced issues for more than 5 posts without someone being called a cunt but there it goes now

In all these examples the tag system purpose is still to limit take in some way. We fundamentally don't need to limit take to meet the realistic legal and ecological goals that are the real issue for...