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Yeah sorry that came off more snarky than intended. Point is bias and media spin exist on both sides

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Yeah your right, we should probably stick to reliable honest media sources like Clyde grafs YouTube account.

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They keep records of every necropsied kiwi. I'm not sure what else they can do to prove it to you.

Again show the evidence that doses in that magnitude in anyway effect health or fertility in...

No idea man. That's the point.

There a bit of data around ld50 rates but I can't find anything that relates liver trace levels to toxicity or probable death.

Given the accumulatove filtration...

I'm not claiming it's a victory. I'm not claiming anything. You're the one making claims.

Again your making a claim based on no evidence. Show me the evidence that this tiny level of accumulated...

I'm not assuming anything. I wasn't the one implying 1080 kills kiwi and presenting that data as evidence.

Your claims, true or not are simply not represented in the evidence you supplied. Simply...

You realise that this is a table that shows there is 1080 in the liver of animals that have been necropsied, and is not a measure of if they were in fact killed by the 1080. You are assuming...

They have never claimed that there is no harm or no by kill of native birds though. Just that in most cases the increased recruitment numbers mean the population as a whole benifits.

There are...

I don't really have much I need personally

I feel that easier access and reference to entire studies, and the science driving each decision would be a boon to doc and clear up much of the trust...

Agreed man. Greater transparency from doc would be a boon to all involved in the conversation

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Trapping would have to be entirely gov funded, a hybrid model would not work.

The influx of fur on this scale would drive price right down.

The structure would also incentivise possum trapping...

I think its a good resource and nice to have. But it is still opinion.
You could extrapolate enough data from the references on that site to create a succinct argument supporting the use of 1080....

Yeah man I get ya. She references real studies. I've read through the vast majority of that site.

However the information and summaries presented around those references are her opinion. She...

Man I get what you're saying. I'm just saying there is plenty of quality information on which to derive an opinion from. You don't have to be an operator to be well educated in the subject.

It's...

Mate that site isn't science. It's opinions with references to studies. I've read plenty on there.

She makes good points, but often attributes correlation as causation, and makes ideological...

Not really man. There is a tonne of independent, peer reviewed science you can read. Pretty hard to 'spin' that. The reading I have done paints a grim, non perfect but ultimately beneficial outcome...

Link? Not being snidey I am legitimately curious. If it's the article I think it is they conveniently left out the fact it was a mast year which lead to huge amounts of mice and rats.

But yeah...

There is literally video of possums raiding nests and eating fledglings. However their primary predation is of eggs. Ever notice how the drops are often based around this time of year? Increasing...