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if it comes in a yellow box it will be good......(must be the caveman in me I just love speers) havent found one of thier projectiles my rifles dont like and the preformance on game has impressed me...

well for what its worth I dont often poke shot through scrub into a deer BUT we had a big red hind below us at 50-60 yards with a bushy mingimingi right where her shoulder was I lined her up with...

flyblown......how many were shot with fmj over the years...... I believe what Thar is trying to say is dont get all hung up and over think it. if its not at either end of spectrum eg silly hard or a...

and the forth type...who have such a plurry awesome hound they can cock up the shot and still bring home the venison!!!!

so back to your origonal ???2nd ??? question...what will be good sub 200 load for reds with a bit of scrub maybe in way......... Stug and myself have both said it in similar way...big fat heavy round...

if sold on the .284 imitation 7mm calbre (not the real deal mighty .270)sub 150 yards it wont do anything a 7x57 wont...... with a hell of a lot more powder used ,to do so.
big fat round nose with...