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there USED to be two types of loads out there..pistol and rifle...the pighunters liked the pistol rounds for bail loads in thier rifles....must have been barely supersonic ,so quiet and not over...

them "not so good on deer" loads would be ideal on wallys......

as per above...as for ethical distance.....she is no powerhouse but a pill in the right place out to that distance will do the bizo....wouldnt attempt a shoulder shot on a red but slip one in tight...