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mimms2 you appearto favour head/atlas joint shots....so tell me do you prefer a stout projectile or a fast expanding /varmit type for this shot?????


the heart is avoided by all BUT bowhunters...

them there 180grn round nose slugs seem to be rather good at finding them too.....LMFAO

I honestly cant believe you wrote that.........hunters have been specifically AVOIDING hitting the heart for generations....and the shoulder shot is the mainstay of many many wise folk as animal is...

Dama dama the 130grn speer HP in .308 are a classic...VERY fragile in the big case...poke them out of a 7.62x39mm and they are awesome,the nosler ballistic tips work well at slower speed too,so NO...

TRUE...but.....if a person is asking about buying subsonic poohseventy loads,they probably havent had the experience to gain the expertise to place the said projectile with screwdriver type...

Dama dama...that gives me idea...the hornady 110grn hpfb are absolutely volitile at std speeds....they MIGHT be ok at lower speed and not blow to bits so he could have some penertration along with...

if the noise thing is the biggest issue...TRY some lesser loads,something with less powder will be quieter...a case full of trail boss will go bang but not boom.even diferent factory loading sound...

you could download with trail boss..eg same volume of powder as normal stuff....it will probably give you 1500-2000fps and be quiet as heck...you will still have a LITTLE shock and some expansion...

as said above...the mighty poohseventy is a great round.....by doing what you are trying,you are hamstringing it back to really hohum....IF you intend to persist MAYBE 150grn speerspbt MIGHT expand a...