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395grn cast and yeah velocity isnt going to matter at 50 yards.......the smokeless load SHOULD be close to 1600fps

Im putting in 30 and packing it down with 223 case then putting 20 in...compressing again then the last 10grns....in order to get 60 in...and 60 grns is enough... the 50grns over 4grns AR2219 seems...

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used 2219 BECAUSE it is listed as powder for 45/70 and I dont have another use for it....

60 grns is the MAXIMUM HRBP I can fit in a RP case...not being compressed...

just in case anyone reading this is confused...its a 45/70
and it goes bang rather nicely with that load....395grn cast burrows 2" into dry macrocarpa and becomes a smashed up blob..barrel looks...

so sounds like you should go back and re read origonal post.....thats good accuracy ...very good in fact.your P14 is a mauser which is definate advantage...but even your 3" groups is a very dead...

yes I got that message...have 4 grns 2219 under 50 of HRBP.....will see how it goes when get chance....

great article and really hammers home the "no need for sub MOA THING" some of us have been banging on about for ever..... why having a 7.62x39mm that shot 2" groups was perfectly acceptable to...