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The problem with all the 08-based cases is that there is an incorrect assumption that they should load and cycle nicely through a short action. But with the high BC bullets that are the norm...

Ok, I'll take that bait: somewhere back in this thread it was determined that the .257 Roberts or .257AI, either loaded with 115gr Berger or 115gr Nosler Ballistic Tips was the best 25-cal for deer...

Pushover, what are your specific concerns with the 85gr Barnes-X hand loads please ?
I found the Barnes-X 75grFB, 85grFB, and 90grBT all performed on deer as expected in the .257 Roberts, and I...

Same. No meaningful increase for the lighter bullets over the 25-06. Starting from 60gr I'd say.

Take this to the extreme limit. I have 75gr and 85gr Barnes-X in .257 for anyone interested.
Deer bullets at an MV of 3800 ft/sec from a 25-06.

Rock river arms hunter Please do tell ?
And assuming you have decided on the unsuitability of this cartridge - and perhaps the 25-cal overall - for reds, then what in your view is the required...