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Discussions like this make every other discussion silly. If a wee .222 is a fast and emphatic killer to 300m on large reds, so is everything else.

Which I don't disagree with.

Where it gets...

That's my point. Some terrible ammo out there. Case matters little. Rules are always the same. You need to hit the right bit.

Big case like 270, especially now ammo is loaded down for old...

We should stop calling them target bullets. It puts people off.

Heavy for callibre, high sectional density, non-bonded frangible projectiles launched sub 2900 ft/sec is a mouthful.

Kill like...

Not that long ago I took my 243 and cheap factory ammo out and could not stop a hare with it. Every one was a runner.

So cartridge is not really apples with apples. Loads matter.

Seen goats...