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Hey Ruff I enjoyed that read, I agree with a lot of what you have said. Thanks for the read and tips, good stuff. Just try to keep my feelings out of it though, "I doubt you will accept" etc, from...

Wait, I thought El B once told me cooked bones were bad for dogs? De-bone then boil?

Ha ha. Make my dog into cat food and start again? :)

If I typed down stay I meant that it was the action, not the command. I do not have a 'stay' command at all. Only 'do' commands if that makes sence. Down means down until I tell you to do something...

Sweet, this is exactly what I am doing (no long line)

Sweet! How'd you teach that?

Neckshot - he spelled 'hear' wrong!

You didn't see aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanything... ;)

And please, please PLEASE don't burn me while I am being honest. If this turns into a conversation about how smart you are and how dumb I am, I think I might just unplug my internet for a couple of...

Ooooo better example. Police dog sent away to rip bad guy's arm off. A sudden flash of the torch reveals that the bad guy is actually an old lady in her dressing gown. The handler 'calls the bullet...

I have used a mat as a target (towel) then sendaway to a mat, down at the mat. Also during a recall. Over time I have reduced the mat size until there has been no mat. I have proofed this with mid...

El B does your dog have a down at a distance sorted? Like an emergency down... I would imagine a bird dog would need this in his basic box of tools.

Hey Ruff I actually didn't mean offence at all, I am sorry that it came across that way. I am always open to learning more - my teachers you speak of, there aren't any! Not formally anyway. I have...

Haha, love it :thumbsup:

I love your stance on the love thing, with your two male dogs :) so true.

Thoughts appreciated Ruff, good luck to you too, I hope I have made it clear to people that I am in no way a gun dog...

Okay I read the second half and I liked it :) you and I aren't so different and if you have read my previous posts you'd understand why....stop getting hooked up on the food reward thing, start...

I stopped reading half way through. I understand I will never change your mind Ruff and I am fine with that. I however think you have missed some very important parts about positive reinforcement...

I think you'd like my treats, cheese and possyum haha. :)

The difference between luring and I guess you'd call it positioning, is that by using a lure (or target in a hand-target trained dog) is...

I know I am not a hunting dog owner here, but does nobody using luring for position instruction? *awaits smiting down from the heavens of hunting dog trainers*

I know Ruff thinks that my methods...

leathel you're spot on with the kids, same goes for boyfriends :D

Hmm, what I thought. Oldschool :P thanks.

Not trying to make an argument here at all, let's get that straight first. I am just interested: how have have people taught their dog to down/sit? Do you add a verbal cue or visual cue first?