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Thread: When is a shotgun not a shot gun?

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    No kidding... never knew that (please note the sarcasm this time).
    What I was getting at is that by the Oxford description, defining a shotgun as a smoothbore weapon that is loaded with small projectiles, a blunderbuss firing grapeshot is a shotgun, but load it with a single projectile and it's not. So a shotgun (as we know it) firing a slug isn't a shotgun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peril 787b View Post
    So a shotgun (as we know it) firing a slug isn't a shotgun.
    I can accept the truth in that statement, however the bit that I struggle with is that immediately before it was fired and immediately after the solid leaves the barrel, it becomes a shotgun again and should not be on DoC land.
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    It takes 43 muscle's to frown and 17 to smile, but only 3 for proper trigger pull.
    What more do we need? If we are above ground and breathing the rest is up to us!
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    So get a rifled barrel for your shotgun and its legal on doc land?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    So get a rifled barrel for your shotgun and its legal on doc land?
    In my opinion yep.
    It takes 43 muscle's to frown and 17 to smile, but only 3 for proper trigger pull.
    What more do we need? If we are above ground and breathing the rest is up to us!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    So get a rifled barrel for your shotgun and its legal on doc land?
    I think the type of ammo you were carrying would be more of a problem if on DoC land
    Which is worse, ignorance or apathy...I don't know and don't care.

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    The problem for some is that you are looking at the trees and not seeing the forest.
    With shotguns there is a "Paradox" ,they were even called that at one time. So take the example of a Man who has a sex change operation, his DNA says he is a man but his/her appearance (and bits) are that of a woman and legally she is a woman even though science will say she is not.
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    Is that what causes shotgun weddings?
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    It was a confusion of ideas between him and one of the lions he was hunting in Kenya that had caused A. B. Spottsworth to make the obituary column. He thought the lion was dead, and the lion thought it wasn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tankd View Post
    The problem for some is that you are looking at the trees and not seeing the forest.
    With shotguns there is a "Paradox" ,they were even called that at one time. So take the example of a Man who has a sex change operation, his DNA says he is a man but his/her appearance (and bits) are that of a woman and legally she is a woman even though science will say she is not.
    After that I will look at my shotty in a new light and will stop rubbing and cupping the trigger guard
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spook View Post
    After that I will look at my shotty in a new light and will stop rubbing and cupping the trigger guard
    And start flicking the safety and fingering the breach?
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    Tell the DoC ranger "Stick your finger in here and see if I am smooth bore or rifled"
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    Which is worse, ignorance or apathy...I don't know and don't care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi Sapper View Post
    Is that what causes shotgun weddings?
    No, that's what's left after the shotgun goes off

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    Ability to chamber a shot cartridge isn't the definition of a shotgun, can do that in most straightwalled cartridges and .22lr/.22wmr


    I think it'd have to be looked at in context, ie smoothbore or rifled, cartridges possessed, whether you were found chewing on a kereru drumstick, etc

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    After several enquiries a DoC permit arrived in the mail today, in the "special conditions" box- "permitted shotgun use with buck shot or solids"

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimp View Post
    Ability to chamber a shot cartridge isn't the definition of a shotgun, can do that in most straightwalled cartridges and .22lr/.22wmr


    I think it'd have to be looked at in context, ie smoothbore or rifled, cartridges possessed, whether you were found chewing on a kereru drumstick, etc
    Done right you wont need to chew anything Gimp

    The meat will just melt right off that drumstick and onto your tongue ........ apparently ......... or so I read .......... or heard .............. or something along those lines ...... a long time ago ....... maybe I was thinking of chicken

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    Quote Originally Posted by peril 787b View Post
    So I can't use a smooth barrel black powder? Stink.
    But you can borrow my rifled shotgun! It has straight rifling
    Boom, cough,cough,cough

 

 

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