Thread: retail gun prices

2nd hand or custom re rifles

Originally Posted by Dreamer

The cash thing didn't work for me at local h&f, managed to get a pack of ammo chucked in though. When I herd bretta nz tosser's had put the price up again I said but the dollar hasn't changed since the last price hike... Didn;t get a reply to that.

Cash ( as in folding stuff )for some retailers is a pain because some are charged a cash handling fee by their bankers.

Being the simple man I am, I simply don't believe the smoke and mirrors bullshit from Beretta NZ about our dollar falling against the US, and using that to justify a price rise or two.
Last time I looked Sakos and Tikka's are made in Finland, which uses the Euro, and we've tracked well against that, when you look at the the cross rate graph Euro vs NZD for the last five years.
Check it out on xe.com

Am I missing something here ?

B

Originally Posted by shift14

Cash ( as in folding stuff )for some retailers is a pain because some are charged a cash handling fee by their bankers

B

This is so true

I just spent $250k on some Finish hydraulic equipment. I had the suppliers quote over 12 months before we got around to ordering the gear, the price didn't change one iota. It's more than likely a case of the NZ distributor upping the anti on a very small pot.

Not sure if true for beretta but some company's trade in US dollars rather the euros yen pounds etc. Same for some freight company's as well

One of the problems a business comes across is growth and that can be bloody hard in a small competitive environment, especially selling firearms in NZ.

One of the major problems they encounter is www.guns4sale.com where the Joe average can source from overseas at better rates than buying in NZ.

They have probably done the number crunching and figured out a small increase in the price won't impact there profit but increase it. There are other ways of doing it but its bloody hard in a small market.

Originally Posted by shift14

Cash ( as in folding stuff )for some retailers is a pain because some are charged a cash handling fee by their bankers.

Being the simple man I am, I simply don't believe the smoke and mirrors bullshit from Beretta NZ about our dollar falling against the US, and using that to justify a price rise or two.
Last time I looked Sakos and Tikka's are made in Finland, which uses the Euro, and we've tracked well against that, when you look at the the cross rate graph Euro vs NZD for the last five years.
Check it out on xe.com

Am I missing something here ?

B

Totally agree with you mate and thats why I said about the price think at the time. Wasn't surprised to Not get an answer...

My 2c worth i use to be in wholesale back in South Africa we did Savage Nosler Wheeler products etc. i was very familiar with the opposition prices. i knew the wholesale prices and the retail pricing of most shooting products.
My experience over the last year was a jaw dropper. Stuff in New Zealand is overall more expensive. i can tell you that the Baretta products are cheaper in comparison.

stuff like berger ,night force ,reloading powder , nosler Hornady is very expensive ...
i came to the conclusion that it starts with the importer that wants to be n millionaire on every product he sells to the retailer. Saying that that is about in every industry in NZ
Maybe that is how its so pose to be anyway they making good profits.

The business model seems to be, Importer/Agent marks up and flicks on to the Distributor who then marks it up and flicks it on the the Wholesaler who then marks it up and passes it on to the Retailer.
Importer/Agent, Distributor and Wholesaler are all separate companies but owned by the same guy.
Not a bad lurk but goes a long way to explaining why NZ is such a rip off.

Originally Posted by Steve123

The business model seems to be, Importer/Agent marks up and flicks on to the Distributor who then marks it up and flicks it on the the Wholesaler who then marks it up and passes it on to the Retailer.
Importer/Agent, Distributor and Wholesaler are all separate companies but owned by the same guy.
Not a bad lurk but goes a long way to explaining why NZ is such a rip off.

What are names of the companies at each step?

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Originally Posted by Steve123

The business model seems to be, Importer/Agent marks up and flicks on to the Distributor who then marks it up and flicks it on the the Wholesaler who then marks it up and passes it on to the Retailer.
Importer/Agent, Distributor and Wholesaler are all separate companies but owned by the same guy.
Not a bad lurk but goes a long way to explaining why NZ is such a rip off.

and some of them have the retail wrapped up as well

Originally Posted by stretch

What are names of the companies at each step?

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Too numerous to mention, in most industries not just firearms.
A classic example would be Fletchers gouging the building industry from the forest to the finished product.
New yuppie term is " Vertical Intergration" instead of kiwi joker term " Rip Off Cunt".

I can tell you retailers want maximum margin for themselves while doing as little as possible but if there are any issues are very quick to pass the buck back to us as distributors.

Originally Posted by Steve123

Too numerous to mention, in most industries not just firearms

OK. I was hoping for something to substantiate your claim. For example, Gun City is owned by David Tipple and family: https://opencorporates.com/companies/nz/314970

And Beretta NZ Ltd is owned by Martyn For and Beretta Australia PTY LTD in a 40/60 split: https://opencorporates.com/companies/nz/1638372

Originally Posted by stretch

OK. I was hoping for something to substantiate your claim. For example, Gun City is owned by David Tipple and family: https://opencorporates.com/companies/nz/314970

And Beretta NZ Ltd is owned by Martyn For and Beretta Australia PTY LTD in a 40/60 split: https://opencorporates.com/companies/nz/1638372

Just my theory but since it's been published on the internet it must be true.