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Thread: Differences between Trajectory Simulators

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    Differences between Trajectory Simulators

    Having run the same inputs for my long range load through the JBM Ballistics and Applied Ballistics online calculators, I've found a disconcertingly large difference between the two in predicted drop of around 200mm at a range of 800m and 350mm at a kilometre, equivalent to a difference of 50 ft/sec in muzzle velocity.

    Have you also come across differences like this between trajectory simulators, and if you have then what online or PC-based calculators (not apps please) have given the best match to observed drop and chronographed MV data for you please ?
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    Using the G7 model?

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    Yes - 140grVLD so using G7. The Applied Ballistics calculator matches the observed drops (out as far as measured to date - which is 800m) for a muzzle velocity of 2900ft/sec that also matches my chronograph readings. On the other hand I have to back off the MV entered into the JBM to 2850 ft/sec to get the same trajectory output. For some reason the JBM appears to be treating the bullet as being a bit more slippery for its quoted BC than the AB calculator. I have Eotvos correction and other advanced features disabled so the comparison should be a fair one.
    I'd like to run the same data through some other calculators for further comparison, so if there are any recommendations out there...?

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    OK, have now compared outputs from the Hornady 4DOF simulator with the other two and get a good match to the Applied Ballistics data. The following doc identifies the difference likely to be found between the Hornady & JBM as stemming from using a generic G7 model (JBM) rather than drag functions specific to each projectile (Hornady).

    http://www.hornady.com/assets/files/...l_Paper_V2.pdf

    The down side to the Hornady calculator is that there are currently only a limited number of projectile drag files in the Hornady library for non-Hornady bullets so I've used the Berger 140gr hybrid as an approximation to the VLD.
    For ELD users though these are all loaded and the trajectory predictions promise to be the most accurate available.

    Strange that the Hornady & Applied Ballistics data should match, as the AB is also a BC-based simulator, so questions remain....
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    Here's another to run it through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puffin View Post
    interesting!
    AB has taken down that page and hornady have written an interesting piece on their side of the story.
    I will look into this hornady 4dof calculator as seems to be real world based as is AB .
    I use all hornady projectiles so will have a nosy.
    the custom drag curves of AB are very accurate as well when I stretch the legs on my rifles so will be interesting!

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    I just tried the AB link and it was there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stug View Post
    I just tried the AB link and it was there.
    still doesn't work for me .bugger!

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    I had looked at the AB thread a while back, so perhaps I'm seeing a cached version?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyanimal31 View Post
    still doesn't work for me .bugger!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stug View Post
    I had looked at the AB thread a while back, so perhaps I'm seeing a cached version?
    The AB info on that link is a pdf file, so your system may be not openning it.

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