Thread: 2209 price rise

maybe I did miss hear (can't be bothered going back to it again as it was a 90 min pod caste.)
I see Brownells who are a large mail order distributor have Alients powers at $61-67 and Accurate is $75 per lb. And you must add freight.
But some are as low as $35 lb
I would assume some smaller low volume regional small town independents will be well above Brownells prices.

Originally Posted by ZQLewis

maybe I did miss hear (can't be bothered going back to it again as it was a 90 min pod caste.)
I see Brownells who are a large mail order distributor have Alients powers at $61-67 and Accurate is $75 per lb. And you must add freight.
But some are as low as $35 lb
I would assume some smaller low volume regional small town independents will be well above Brownells prices.

It doesn't matter what the price is in the US as we have to pay for the huge freight cost on top of that.
Which will make Alliant powders closer to $300 per tin than $200

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With US tariffs coming on to copper, I'm wondering how much it will jack up the price of projectiles.
Does anyone know where the bulk of projies on the NZ market come from,? I'm assuming its not all US origin.

Originally Posted by Max Headroom

With US tariffs coming on to copper, I'm wondering how much it will jack up the price of projectiles.
Does anyone know where the bulk of projies on the NZ market come from,? I'm assuming its not all US origin.

My guess, from observation of shop shelves, is a big majority of projectiles sold here originate in the USA. And it will be interesting to see how prices become affected by US tariffs. But, the US is not the sole manufacturer / supplier. There are a number of European ( eg Norma ) firms that I'm sure would welcome more market opportunities and these days a few Australian firms are in the game too, especially with monometal bullets. And Woodleigh also is slowly getting back on their feet with bonded lead core bullets. I don't know how the economics of any of the options compare. The USA market size offers scale, variety and supply economics that perhaps cannot be easily matched by any alternatives. I have often wished our domestic market would support a couple of good bullet makers ( fortunately we have at least one ) and maybe a time is approaching when setting up a new venture makes sense. Fingers crossed !

Originally Posted by 30.06king

My guess, from observation of shop shelves, is a big majority of projectiles sold here originate in the USA. And it will be interesting to see how prices become affected by US tariffs. But, the US is not the sole manufacturer / supplier. There are a number of European ( eg Norma ) firms that I'm sure would welcome more market opportunities and these days a few Australian firms are in the game too, especially with monometal bullets. And Woodleigh also is slowly getting back on their feet with bonded lead core bullets. I don't know how the economics of any of the options compare. The USA market size offers scale, variety and supply economics that perhaps cannot be easily matched by any alternatives. I have often wished our domestic market would support a couple of good bullet makers ( fortunately we have at least one ) and maybe a time is approaching when setting up a new venture makes sense. Fingers crossed !

It’s a shame Mr Targex’s jackets come from the States other wise we would be sweet so long as he could keep up with demand.

Originally Posted by Tahr

It’s a shame Mr Targex’s jackets come from the States other wise we would be sweet so long as he could keep up with demand.

Which raises the question of whether we should be helping (yes money) to bring in a large shipment for him to stockpile.

Originally Posted by Tahr

It’s a shame Mr Targex’s jackets come from the States other wise we would be sweet so long as he could keep up with demand.

I hope shooters can continue to find Targex bullets affordable and Targex can continue production. So far I have shot only paper with 243 cal and they shoot very well. Based on comments here I have no doubts re performance on game when i reach that stage.

Originally Posted by 30.06king

My guess, from observation of shop shelves, is a big majority of projectiles sold here originate in the USA. And it will be interesting to see how prices become affected by US tariffs. But, the US is not the sole manufacturer / supplier. There are a number of European ( eg Norma ) firms that I'm sure would welcome more market opportunities and these days a few Australian firms are in the game too, especially with monometal bullets. And Woodleigh also is slowly getting back on their feet with bonded lead core bullets. I don't know how the economics of any of the options compare. The USA market size offers scale, variety and supply economics that perhaps cannot be easily matched by any alternatives. I have often wished our domestic market would support a couple of good bullet makers ( fortunately we have at least one ) and maybe a time is approaching when setting up a new venture makes sense. Fingers crossed !

Even if you get more bullet makers in New Zealand the only place I can see to buy jackets is the USA and the lead time on ordering till delivery can be over a year.

Originally Posted by 19Badger

Even if you get more bullet makers in New Zealand the only place I can see to buy jackets is the USA and the lead time on ordering till delivery can be over a year.

I can see the USA being the best and probably preferred supplier. Other countries maintaining substantial militaries make their own ammo and are possible alternatives although they are probably too busy supplying for the Russo / Ukraine conflict currently to bother with recreational demand. Also, whether it's politically palatable to deal with some of these countries is another consideration. I know we should never say never but you could be right @19Badger and it may not be so easy to go to suppliers other than the USA.

Originally Posted by Max Headroom

With US tariffs coming on to copper, I'm wondering how much it will jack up the price of projectiles.
Does anyone know where the bulk of projies on the NZ market come from,? I'm assuming its not all US origin.

The raw material isn't much of the total cost, unless they're looking for an excuse to put it up. Other countries banning lead and creating demand for copper mono bullets would screw us over though, at least short term. Not that I've ever bought one or intend to but you know what I mean