Thread: . 284 Winchester

Originally Posted by Spitfire

You will be limited running a .284 on a short action. It will work, but you will not be able to run 180s and 162s will likely need to be seated deep.

.260 is a great cartridge but in a different class to the .284 Win. 162s at well over 2800 fps is well above what a 7-08 or .260 are capable of (without primer popping loads). GWH and Seventenths have a ton of experience with .284 and are getting great velocities with 160 and 180 class projectiles in shortish barrels. I’m running mine at 2740 fps with 162 ELD-X and could go faster but it’s a very accurate and consistent load.

Cheers

I agree that 284 is a step up in performance from the 260, but it appears that squishing it in a short action limits it a reasonable bit.
Whereas the 284 needs bullets seating deep in the case in a short action the 260/creedmoor has ample room to load them out meaning you can run 140gr bullets at much the same velocities as the 284 running 162gr bullets.

The 284 will of course have more energy on target, but the 140gr 6.5mm and 162gr 7mm bullets have very similar BC and produce much the same ballistics.

Fair enough, but in a long action ...............

Originally Posted by stevodog

I had a short action 284 and found it best mag fitted with 150gr sgk or 160gr speer btsp. This was a good place to be for hunting applications but as above, need a long or medium action for mag fitting the longies

Hes running the CTR mags which are longer COAL than a standard medium/SA mag. Should still be pretty handy with 162's

Sounds good. Best of luck Beetroot.

I see from Gunworks site that they have 2 reamers of different sizes one is a 316 neck the other has a 318 neck . So if you where to rechamber which one would you use and why ? I wonder why no chambers it in a factory rifle ? its darn near a perfect all rounder as far as case size goes ,enough grunt with out being to much .

.318 neck eliminated the donut issue from necking up 6.5x284 I believe. Pretty sure @GWH knows more on the subject

Some related snippets of information on the .284 Winchester

From time to time I see mention of .284 reamers that are supposedly ground to cut chambers specifically for use with necked-up 6.5-.284 brass. Having looked into this I can find no evidence of any dimensional differences between the bodies of the two cases that would require this.

Below are the drawings taken from the QuickLOAD library showing just the metric dimensions for comparison. Other than the change in chamfer angle on the bottom edge of the rim there are no other differences below the necks that can be identified.





Here is part of the drawing of the .284 Winchester SAAMI reamer offered by Manson Precision where I have added some of the metric equivalent dimensions. The figures are the same as are given on the JGS drawing for their .284 Win SAAMI reamer also. The dimensions here may be cross-referenced to the case drawing dimensions. If a chamber was machined using this reamer to put the bolt face as indicated, then a standard case as above would have a 0.005” (0.12mm) crush on the necks.



Of particular interest is that the freebore and throat in the SAAMI standard chambering are combined into a single continuous taper running at 0.79°. This differs from the more typical 1.5° leade ahead of a cylindrical freebore. The drawing identifies that at this pitch, the diameter narrows to 0.284" at a distance 0.217" (5.51mm) ahead of the end of the neck transition - this being the touch point for the bullet. Also of note is the 1/8" radius on the neck shoulder junction (this might ease any donut issue, if only slightly), and the neck diameter of 0.323" tapering to 0.322", which has previously been identified as quite large, particularly for necked-up Lapua cases that have been turned, often then measuring down at a 0.310-0.312" loaded diameter.
If you think you have a chamber cut to this profile then from measurements on fired cases (and the CoL for just touching) the information above should be sufficient to confirm this. Maybe of interest to some? I imagine this standard profile reamer is the most common among gunsmiths here as the neck dimensions mean it is low risk, and being off-the-shelf from most suppliers may be purchased for the lowest cost.



Below is a reamer design from PTG, described as a 284 Norma Match #46114 that is interesting because of the comment recorded on it. I’ve only reproduced here the detail around the front of the case and the comment, as the body & head are all standard. Dimensions all in inches this time.



The shoulder neck radius remains at one-eighth of an inch. The neck tapers slightly - presumably for extraction purposes - down to 0.3185”. This time there is a length of more conventional freebore at the expected 0.2845” diameter. At 1.5°, the leade will narrow from this figure to the 0.284 nominal bullet diameter a further 0.0095” into the throat, which when added to the 0.208” freebore gives almost exactly the same touch point as for the previous SAAMI reamer, supporting the comment that this should be the case. Barrels so chambered will shoot better apparently.

Originally Posted by cameronjackwhite

.318 neck eliminated the donut issue from necking up 6.5x284 I believe. Pretty sure @GWH knows more on the subject

Yes, a larger diameter neck may offer a possible work-around if you are prepared to arrange your sizing gear to partially size the necks. This has often been discussed on here but perhaps is not necessarily an easy concept to grasp, so I've added some diagrams below that might be helpful:



Above is the starting situation with a donut present.

One possibility is that the freebore may be sufficiently long to allow the bullet to be seated forward in the neck ahead of any possible interaction with the donut. This assumes that having the bullet seated right out is where you want it for jump/engagement with the rifling.

More commonly though - and this is particularly so for the longer VLD-style bullets - the cartridge-overall-length (CoL) has to be reduced because of the size of the rifle's magazine. Then the bullet has to be seated further down in the neck, perhaps with the boattail pushed down into the powder column. This is where the larger neck clearance may be helpful as shown in the second diagram with the bullet in this position.



It works in this way: on firing the neck is blown out to the available neck diameter, and with a larger diameter this will hopefully also be sufficient to expand the donut beyond the diameter of the bullet. By then only sizing back a % of the neck, the bullet may still be held, and the donut is left with the lower part of the neck - un-sized and clear of the bullet shank as shown.