Hey guys.
Just wondering if anyone has had a crack with ar2225 in the 300wsm?
Thanks
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Hey guys.
Just wondering if anyone has had a crack with ar2225 in the 300wsm?
Thanks
2209 would be my go too. Save the Retumbo for the really big cases mate.
I am in the same boat, just looking at ar2209 is it the same powder as h4350? Or is it just similar.
they are the same powder... Winchester staball 6.5 powder is another good one if your planning on around the 180gr bullet weight...
Thanks for all the info. I have some 178 eldx to load up and give a try, the other powder I have found reasonably available is the superformance. Does anyone have experience with it? The hornady reloading manual seems to think it will go pretty good. But that could just be marketing. And with these ball powders would I need to use magnum primers?
Rl 17 was a bit faster than 4350, don't hear it mentioned much now. I used 17 and superformance.
As above, 2209 and superformance work well in 300wsm with 170-180 weight class bullets. 2217 and 2225 are too slow, cant get enough in the case
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RL17 or imr4064. Good results with 4064 up to 180g projectiles. RL17 was giving 2950fps withe 200g ELD x
What is you twist rate to stabilise the 200’s? I don’t think mine will stabilise them
200s go fine in my 1:11 tikka.
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I have a box of the factory hornady stuff so I will see how they go, It’s an a Sako so I would assume they will work for me too. Is there a preferred brass brand?
I think the Browning was a 1:10.
2209 is good.RL17 is better..Pm me if you want some more info
Does anyone have a recommendation on projectiles? The 200gr eldx shoots well but I’m not overly impressed with its performance on game.
That's interesting, what is happening with them. I used them solely for the last 5yrs and used them from 10-700mtrs and never had a single issue.
I think when people talk about how projectiles behave on game its a tough question to answer objectively because everyones going to have an opinion, potentially a bad experience & its not always the bullets fault. Not trying to tell anyone how to suck eggs here as theres a huge amount of blokes far more experienced with all sorts of different projectiles on here, just thought i would add my 2 cents as it seems to be a common question to come up on here, what to use or someone stating theyve had a bad experience with x projectile while others have differing opinions & most of the time it looks like its more said person trying to use a projectile for something its not designed to do and then complaining when it doesnt work.
Its important to understand how said projectile is designed to work on game, type/size of game, distance/speed. A 200gr ELDX isnt going to work as good as some others on a smaller animal at closer ranges, Just like a 180gr old round nose isnt going to be very good at trying to drop a big red at 500m. 178gr & 208gr ELDM in the big 30cals work awesome on game at distance but you would be asking for trouble trying to shoot a big solid animal at close range with them
That in itself is a very broad assumption as muzzle velocity is a big factor in that performance up close. Agree about big heavy projectiles non optimal performance on small game but that can be mitigated with shot placement to a degree. of course there is always an exception so this is not intended as a coverall situations statement as Im sure @6.5 CRD 's wasn't either
As with any projectile shot placement is key. You will find you can make 1 bullet work at a multitude of different distances. As long as you understand what it's designed for and perceived limitations then it will work fine.
Not saying this is true for the original poster, I sometimes get the feeling that people believe when you go to a heavy bullet you can just shoot an animal anywhere and it will stay put. Usually this comes from novice hunters. I have certainly heard this from people I have met.
Sorry i should have been more specific, i was meaning if you are sending them out of a 30 cal magnum at 2800+fps sort of thing. Im sure a 178 eldm would probably do just fine up closer out of something like a .308 doing much slower speeds, as its impact velocity which matters.
I figured that's what you meant, hence my last comment as your reply relates to the O.P's original question. No offense intended mate :cool: My comments about big heavy projectiles up close was more around their use in slower calibres like you mention above 308win and 30-06 etc
It was a mid shoulder shot on a bull thar at 170 yards. I think I hit him just behind the shoulder blade, and it just penciled straight through. I will admit, I’ve had some comments about these projectiles from guys that shoot a lot more animals than I do, and it seems to have done exactly the same as their experiences.
I’ll be the first to admit I expected the weight to make up a little on the lack of expansion and it was one of those situations where if you don’t drop him on the spot your in for a hard night.
What sort of speed are you shooting them at?
Inside 200mtrs you need to break bone with the 200g. Yes they will pencil through otherwise. It will also depend on your muzzle velocity as to how well they open up. You will experience the same issue with 178eld x, 208g.
It’s just the hornady factory ammo. It says on the box 2820 so I’d imagine round there.
178 eldx- me and Monk use them in wsm,- and a fair few others on here- works very well out to the 600 ive tried on deers-
If its leaving at 2800 by 170 yards a 200gr ELDX is still doing 2500+. At that sort of impact speed you will need to hit something really solid like the shoulder joint to initiate expansion properly & not have it just pencil through. Im not surprised thats what its doing.
Here is my drop chart for the 200g eldx. Muzzle velocity was 2900fps
Ok that makes a lot of sense. So it’s just a case of wrong projectile for the job.
Awesome cheers for all the info. I will have a play with some things and see what I come up with. Most of my shooting is over 300.
Ok so here goes. If your using a big heavy projectile at 170 yards or at 10 yards or at 500 yards.its NOT the velocity it hits at that makes it expand so much as what it hits. You said behind shoulder and it pencils through.so you did not meet enough resistance. Like shooting a rabbit with fmj. Nothing to make projectile do anything but keep going. You have a number of choices and this goes for ANY cartridge and calibre. To make it withstand high velocity it has to be hard.hard doesn't expand well unless hits something hard enough to make it deform. Slow it down and it's worse..smaller powder charge,longer distance. Flipped on head a soft expandy or even varmit projectile at high speed is prone to blowing up,ripping itself apart.its what the supposed to do.so you NEED to aim accordingly.wound won't be deep, so have to find soft or shallow target, the crease,tight in behind shoulder is a soft target except on boars. The neck is also a soft target except on rutting stags. Your 300wsm will smash that tahr into pile of jelly if you can take out his front wheels.eg smash shoulder bones.move your aim forwards.if you go too far forwards you smash neck=good ,slightly rearwards, is what you have now,dead but can still move. If you change to a softer projectile you will drop animal alright BUT will do shit loads of meat damage and will be risking it on up close high velocity shoulder shots...where your heavy will get away with it the lighter one may not.200 grns of tiny bits of lead is still 200grns.
That makes a lot of sense. I will just adjust my approach for the next one.
190gr Berger vld
Haven’t tried a lot of bullets but I don’t need to because this one works.
this is same thing Im saying about resistance and/or aiming point...... the softer projectile or the higher speed mean you need to adjust aim to a softer target/shallower vitals.....plenty of guys on here shoot deer with the .223...some even do so with varmit projectiles..BUT they are head/neck crease shooting them..... the fellas using heavier projectiles get away with normal chest shoulder shots...AND the fellas using monos,like barnes are needing to hit shoulder bones
its the exact same thing but on other end of the calibre spectrum.
Has anyone had a go with the 190 grain Targex? I might use my 178 eldx in my 308
I use RL17 it’s awesome in my 300wsm with 168ELDM.
I’m onto my last 4 eldx, so I should probably start working a load up. Does anyone have a starting point for 190 vldh and rl19?
Go into Alliant powders website...they have a Reloaders Guide you can download. https://www.alliantpowder.com/resources/catalog.aspx