said it before...and will end up saying it again.... subsonics suck if you miss your mark by even a tiny amount,they are however great fun for plinking,they are much more civilised for finishing off shots up close....and awesome for pests up close,for wallabies or goats in deer country,good solid chest shot will see them fall over soon enough,spinal colume and they will drop...you can get expansion with cast,and you can have best of both worlds by cranking them up JUST A LITTLE BIT and getting some meaningful expansion.a little more energy with very little more noise....
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