@mimms2 yup you aren't wrong
All the research I id suggests bullet length is the only way to cheat and it is very important in these bores. Even some of the hundy grain bullets are too long-mainly if they are boat tails and with long ogive/points. Hence my comment about the 117. Ballistics calculators suggest those are right on the cusp of marginally stable/stable. They are very short-under an inch and seem perform well in the 25 cals with the slower twist
It would be nice to have slightly more bullet weight (but not too heavy) to keep the speed up, but a pointy end to help a little further out
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