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I normally use cci primers but due to the shop we use were out brought some federal primers.
Have had no issues with cci primers.
Loaded up quite a few went out last weekend and out of the 50 odd rounds shooting goats 6 rounds did not fire!
There was dent from firing pin and guns only had 100 or so rounds throu. Any one had issues with these primers.
Lucky these were goats and not reds
Fed 210's and 215's are all ive ever really used, thousands of the bloody things over the last few years, ive never had a missfire
Same as above, never had an issue. Sure your hands were clean when handling them?
Seems odd...primers so reliable these days unlikely to be bad batch and may be the rifle?? I use both, the Feds are slightly larger than CCI and can be handy if primer picket is slightly large on older reloaded brass.
I have had missfires with every brand I have used at one time or another.
Imo, mostly due to my own mistakes with seating or contaminating them.
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What case lube are you using?
I've only ever used Fed 210's, and never had an issue. I'd look for contamination or some other mistake along the way.
Same here never had a problem with them interesting them being slightly larger sometimes require a little extra to seat them now I know why
Always used feds just dont touch them. Tip straight in to primer holder/feeder
I use a Sinclair priming tool. Slowish, but beautifully made and seats primers best of the feeders I've tried.
You can handle primers as long as your hands are clean. Have done so for over forty years and only ever had 1 misfire out of tens of thousands.
Glad to know that they are good primers I do use gloves always and brass is always clean before loading ill keep using the primers hopefully is just me. Cheers guys
I prefer Federal primers only misfires I have had was from some primed cases I left in the garage for a few weeks and they got damp
check your seating depth if not firmly seated they will misfire, a Sinclair primer pocket uniformer will help by squaring up the bottom
of the pocket, and clean the pockets if you don't already do that, also give the bolt a good clean could be some old oil and dust slowing down
the firing pn I found Federal primers to be slightly softer than CCI especially small pistol primers.
i'm relatively new to reloading but have used federal and cci primers with zero issues.
I just use my fingers. I always wash hands before starting, I only prime the number of cases I intend to load (only ever load small batches, say 10-20 rounds) and load them there and then.
I have an old C style Lyman press, therefore I seat each primer individually, so every primer gets handled. I always clean carbon from primer pocket as part of case prep.
I had around 5 misfires when I was doing my 308 loads using Remington 9 1/2 primers but I carnt remember how long the things had been sitting in the draw so I biffed them, actually worth a mention I was using hornady brass & the primer pockets where terrible I had to slightly reem each one with the deburring tool to remove the burr over each pocket that combined with new primers problem solved
Yep I used to use a primer pocket uniformer but have found not necessary with Norma and esp Lapua brass that I now use.
I have thousands of either brand of primers available :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sr5dan
Generally the only time I've had dramas with misfires they have been CCIs not Federals.
The CCIs are harder in the cup & need to be HIT not tapped.
You can nearly get close to a Fed & give it a nudge & it will go off...
I would say you had another issue like head space or contamination, very strange for a Fed not to go.
I use tens of thousands a year & can't recall the last time I had a failure to fire
I dont buy the contamination theory unless maybe youre pouring oil or a paint stripper onto the primer first. I have done a small scale experiment with primers and soaking them in hot water and detergent for a few hours, drying them out, loading them and firing them. All went bang.
Amazing, still don't think I would use them for hunting.
@Kiwi Greg may be on it with a rifle malfunction, possibly crap in the bolt binding the firing pin occasionally.
What's that? A 270?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mooseman
Live where my garage that I reload in doesn't see the sun for 3 months during winter. Use and store primers and powder that I bulk brought in the 1980's. Never had a miss-fire or any other problem.
Like what has been said, Federal primers are known to have a soft cup so usually ignite easily, most revolver shooters with lightened triggers choose them for this very reason. As has been said expect a reloading /primer seating issue
I do find the federal small primer a bit more difficult to seat than the CCI....... could be tight pockets on my part but I always check with a finger rub across the back of the case to ensure below case level.
Using GM215M primers for target work in 308.
ADI's Max load for WIN brass is 45gns AR2208, for 168gn bullets - Sierra TMK on trial.
Backed off to 43.5gns in Lapua brass, under same bullet - slight primer cup raised around pin strike (all went 'bang' fine), but corners were still round, and shape not flattened, no ejector mark on cartridge head.
Soft primers and a fussy chamber (case length), gave me this result.
So have trimmed cases to 50.8 mm - 2.0003", and will try again with the same powder weight/case.
Thanks to those who highlighted Fed primers as being softer than CCI.
Have used CCI with near max loads of 2208, in Lapua brass under 155gn HBC, and no issues with primer deformation.
Same with Fiocchi primers.
Any photos mate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tikka7mm08
I am over these crap set ups I have. I too handle primers and have never had an issue. 215M
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Sr5dan mate a few years ago I had trouble with cci200 primers so I went to rem 91/2 primers but later went back to the brass with the cci200
primers that had not fired and done a test of seating the primers the same way I had done previously and found that the
hand priming tool was making the primer flush with the butt of the brass and not seating it home so I went back to seating primers with my press
one at a time and seating them home firmly and haven't had a problem since
At present I use 4 different brands of primer and haven't had any issues with any of them in fact I've used many thousands over the years
with no issues except the cci200 issue but it was the seating tool that couldn't seat them deep enough to be home
cheers
Since my very first reload i use the brand, 205, 210 and 215 standards and match, never had a problem at all, exception very few (if) that "I" got wet.
Have used CCI's too and no complains at all…
I now only use a lee ram prime tool in the press. Its very sensitive and with some cases you feel the primer go in, stop and them go in further. Thinking back when i started reloading i used to reload 3030 with a lee hand loader, the one where you hammer the new primer in. Being a bit iffy about whacking them, some primers were flush or slightly proud of the base. I did have the occasional missfire but recocking the trigger they always went off second time. I guess the first strike seated the primer the 2nd set it off. Possibly worth considering
I use a ram prime as well after a bit of a play you can get a feel for it
I'm wondering if any of you boys have had any problems with Federal mag primers sitting proud of the brass when fully seated
Last night I decided to try and find another load for my 7mm rem mag but found the Federal primers were sitting proud and when put into the chamber
the bolt won't close the head space is very neat, has anybody heard whether Federal have changed their depth of the mag primer
as the older primers I've had for 10yrs fit
I use Norma brass and the primer sockets are the some as the older brass
cheers
Since doing my last post on the primers I got to and done some checks and balances with the bullets in mention
After thoroughly checking my rifle wasn't at fault I then pulled all the bullets and removes all the primers from
the ammo in mention and found out that most of the primers that protruded out past the shell had little raised areas
as if they hadn't been trimmed in the factory the raised areas were so small you almost needed a magnifying glass to see them
The thing is only about half of the box of primers were like this the other ones were ok
So took the box back to the gunshop and they replaced them no fuss
The shop owner said it is the first time he had seen that in 35 years of trading it also is the first time I have come across this type of
problem in primers
So problem solved may never come across that problem again hopefully
Cheers
What as the manufacturing code on the box of faulty primers?
What is the manufacturing code on the box of faulty primers?
@rigga. I have had the same problem with 215m primers in my 300wm. All the cases have had pockets uniformed. All my different batches of Norma brass is notched on the heads to tell me how many times it has been fired and one batch of brass is a slightly darker color, even after tumbling. And those cases are always hard to seat primers without a little protrusion of the primer.
I have done comparisons of primers with the same load in my 270 and federal were 80 FPS faster in velocity than the cci. Both were large magnum primers.
I’ve had a few cci not go off before. Never had a federal miss fire
Rupert mate I don't know I didn't look at that it didn't dawn on me at the time although now you mention I should have
Dumb move not to
Yeah Cowboy06 it wasn't that they wouldn't ignite my headspace is fairly tight and when the bullet was home
in the chamber the bolt wouldn't close and I wasn't going to force it so I checked them and found the primer protruding out
I had just gone to a new box of primers so I should have checked the first ones of that box but didn't '' Bad move''
I did have some trouble with cci 200 a few years ago so went to 91/2 rem but I put the trouble with the cci 200 down to using a hand primer
tool because I still have that rifle and now use cci 200 or 91/2 in it with no problems although I prime with my press now and it seats the
primers right in to touch the bottom of the pocket where as the hand tool didn't
I have used Federal for years and never had one not go off I mainly use them in my 7mm rem mag and quiet happy with them
If the rifle is fairly new perhaps that where the problem is. like a speck of dirt stopping the fring pin . Or cartridge is loose in the Chamber and moves forward. ShoUlder sized too for back ?
Like others I've fired a few thousand, handled every Single one and never had a misfire.