This what Hornady308 165ssts look like after going thru the sholder of a red shot at 318yds MV 2760ft/s.Mushroomed ok,deer fell over.
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This what Hornady308 165ssts look like after going thru the sholder of a red shot at 318yds MV 2760ft/s.Mushroomed ok,deer fell over.
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The reason I don't much like using SST's is over concern about fragmented lead throughout the meat we'll probably eat. I went from SST's to Interbonds to the Barnes TTSX I mostly use now.
Wouldn't hesitate to use SST's on anything I was just killing and leaving behind. Always found them quite to very accurate and good killers. My son knows of my concerns about the SST's but still prefers them for his own hunting as he has always done well with them.
I would consider that a failure. It has disintegrated. To do that at that speed means it's to soft.
I like a nice mushroom with the core retained. Which is why I prefer bonded projectiles.
My girlfreind uses the same bullet at about the same speed. Nothing fancy, just puts it in the shoulder, havent seen one walk away yet. A couple of times theres been a hole through both shoulders, but the damge between is pretty major. Her 11 year old son has taken 3 for 3, a hind, a spiker, and a stag. The hind took 2 paces, the other 2 bang flop. Wont be seeing any complaints about bullet performance from her, she loves her 308 and the SST.
Inreresting comment,its disintergraded and stopped the deer,good.Being too soft really,to me thats good,better than penciling straight thru.its traveled thru two sholders and smashed them and stopped the deer in its tracks.Iv stopped deer out to 430yrds,ssts seem to work for me.Il try and find a nice mush roo for you one day.The core retained hmmm,interesting.22 deer last summer didnt think it failed
Cheers.
great podcast for those who have time
Covers all that's talked about above and much much more with real-world data.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjqCM_cNLfc&t=1227s
Podcast watching?too busy cutting up venison.By
@Trout I handload just about all my ammo and am not sure what factory ammo is currently available with those TTSX bullets. The Barnes Vortex ammo should though if stocked by the LGS you usually buy from.
Actually, I'll enquire up here to see if I can find anything and let you know.
Alternatively I could even make some handloads for you to try if factory ammo cant be found.
Do you not have speakers?
you dont have to be glued to the screen
https://open.spotify.com/episode/1ut...T3ews8wJ2rGQ0w
I have been using the 130ttsx for 5+ years and is a great bullet for close range sub 200m. I would not use it over that because it will not expand at lower velocity.
I use both 165gn and 180gn TTSX ( 30.06 and 300 Win Mag ) out to 400 yds and get good kills. The bullets expand but noticeably less expansion at 400 yds compared to closer shots. Degree of expansion is velocity related and the faster they're driven the more they expand.
Have also shot a few 130gn TTSX but only closer shots so far so unsure of effectiveness further out.
Overall though TTSX are great bullets IMHO. My current favourites anyway :thumbsup:
@Trout You probably have a point. I'm not really up to date with these sorts of things, sorry. Did a quick online search and couldn't find anything factory made with TTSX projectiles. I know there used to be ( I bought some Sako a few years ago ) but maybe no recent supplies with the shortages etc.....
I did find the offerings below. Not Barnes but same principal and maybe (?) similar performance if you really are wanting to try mono-metals.
https://www.guncity.com/sako-308-pow...-rounds-377263
https://www.huntingandfishing.co.nz/...-copper-impact
My thoughts:
-Great result, dead deer. Stick with it, avoid the shoulder meat.
-Im switching to barnes ttsx because they are lead free, super accurate in my .308, and I love shoulder and neck meat.
-listening to podcasts whilst cutting up venison is my second favorite recreational activity
I wont bother with podcast things,been with out them the last 70yrs.I manage ok with what iv got to listen too.
Good performance if you ask me iv being using the sako 165 seirra gamechanger factory ammo goes darn well just $$$ luckily
It shoots the same poi as the soft point cheaper 150gn so I switch between the 2 depending on the situation probably a 5 to 1 ratio at present
A basic Hornady spire point would perform better than that. As would a Remington Corelokt. Attachment 241308
Here is a selection of Hornady Spire points, 150 and 165 grains recovered from reds, at about the same speed.
Was going to say that, interlock 165gr seems to hang together - never seen one of those end up with a fully separated jacket like the first photo. A lot of the name commentators writing articles overseas go on about projectile retained weight, and have tests where they shoot a string into gelatin and weigh whats left but at the end of it, if it hits where you aim, kills every time, you can get the damn things (topical at the moment) and you have confidence in them then???
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150 sst, same MV (2750). Get the odd core separation but some hold together okay. I like a soft bullet for the type of hunting I do & these seem to work pretty well
You can play what if until the cows come home, but having used a 22.250 for years I'd shoot a "tough" animal in the neck, or through the ribs and into the lungs. Just like the not tough ones, both close and not so close.
More to the point, Trout has found a projectile that works very well for what he does, and he seems to be a good enough shot to avoid shooting some tough animal in a coating of mud, through a heavily muscled shoulder.
Most of his photos show clean bodied reds, and a high proportion of them look to be neck shot. I'd say he is doing pretty well, and doesn't need any advice from me.
flip that on its head........stout/hard projectiles work great untill you get lower velocity and/or have bullet drift slightly off point of aim and dot hit any bone so it meets no risistance..then you get a pencil type hole and next to no mess...mess=good :thumbsup:
FFS this thread goes on. Use what projectile you’re comfortable with and can get these days. Have used Speer ‘hot core’ 150gr mostly for forty-five years in 308 on hundreds of animals, admittedly 400m would be max range pretty much. Only lost a handful of animals in that time, due to badly placed shots I’d say. Have used a fair few 150 gr Remington Corelokt’s which also work well. Nosler ballistic tips so-so, too many jacket separations for my liking. I still experiment with other projectiles but end up going back to old faithfull Speer. Mtcw.
one of the very best articals on projectiles Ive ever read is going back a few years now...in rod n rifle... one the .470 capstick with Asquare... back when it was still a new thing.
different projectiles for different jobs.... solids for buff etc and a dead tough softpoint when expansion was desired....like big cat where you want LOTS of mess in a hurry.
discription of how they worked on horse in striped pajamas is worth looking up.....
use what works for you....
I like Hornady Superformance ssts 308 -150gr or 165gr.The 150gr has the highist velocity and energy out put of all off the SHOP SHELF ammo in NZ.For a 300yd point n shoot,most deer just fall over.Doesnt take much to dial up for 400yds-500yds shots either.I dont need a drop chart,all dial up increments in my young brain to 500yds.I like speed,energy and deer fall over.
I always find it interesting as to when you get a pass through and when you don't. I guess many factors come into play distance whether you hit bone or not. Then to bullet construction and weight. I have found with softer bullets like the sst and eldm you get far better performance at range. Quite surprised the original post one lost it's core at that range