200 bucks for half a box of federal primers??
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketpl...2624?archive=1
Is this the current acceptable pricing or are some people a bit desperate?
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200 bucks for half a box of federal primers??
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketpl...2624?archive=1
Is this the current acceptable pricing or are some people a bit desperate?
$75 a thousand here in Perth, I got 1500 a few days ago, ADI powder is $135 a kilo.
Some people are getting a bit desperate and some are getting a bit greedy.
I have bought LR primers over the counter twice last month, paid a bit more than what I was paying 7 years ago but nothing silly.
Some things sell faster with a high price then they do with a low price. While there is a genuine decrease in availability of components, it is being exacerbated by some people applying the 'greater fool theory'.
just about everyone i know barely shoots centrefire anymore unless it is to zero. I sure wish I stocked up back in the good old days
As far as primers go, that's sadly not far off what some would have paid in-store recently. I bought some federal large rifle Magnum primers a few of months ago and they were about $20 per 100, I believe they have gone up again since then.
Subscribe to reloader supplies as the send out emails with gear as it comes in $180 I think for 1000 that was a while ago but you don't know , I see on TM someone is selling 500 it's about the as the 1000 from reloader supplies.
I saw on TM the other day 3x 100 sleeves of Winchester Large Rifle Magnum primers went for $122 Thats 40 c each!
thats what I pay for projectiles!!
I saw in Reloaders 1000 pack of primers averaging $200. Got a shock when I saw CCI standard .22 500 packs go from $65 to $99 at Gun City.
That’s more expensive than GM210 blimey pretty sure 1000 are $270 odd
There is a way to defeat the gougers - don't buy from them.
We, in NZ, had it too good for a while.
We didn't need to carry sufficient amounts of components because we could always buy more at fair prices.
We were wrong.
I reload for my son & I, somewhere between 3000 & 4500 rounds per year.
I've always tried to have at least one year's stock of components on the shelf.
Buying larger quantities allowed negotiations on price.
Is that hoarding, or being prudent?
Iv got 500 195bergers that I bought as a 500 pack the rifles yet to be finished that’ll allow for load D plus my life of hunting as it’s a secondary rifle I have 1kg of powder for that rifle and 500 215 primers . I have 150 of my other rifles projectile which is a few years of hunting and powder/primers to suit id only run into problems if I changed calibre so all the more reason to stick with what I have. the 168 vld that I have 150 of is available at the moment but I’m sure il be able to find a box in 3 years time when I need one il leave those box’s on the shelf for those who have 15 projectiles left . Hoarding/skelping and back orders are killing our community. @Cyclops I don’t consider that as hoarding because you have a time frame in mind for the supplies you purchase
Can’t see the supply getting better anytime soon.
If anything I think it will get worse.
If it comes up and is reasonably priced, buy it.
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^^^^^this, so much this ^^^^^^^
I refuse to pay gouged prices for anything, it only encourages the practice.
I'm not gonna be popular for saying this but it comes up on here in the buy sell section frequently "I want "$xxx" cause that's what I paid" sorry but if you paid more than retail that's on you and no matter what it is, I certainly won't buy it no matter what breed of fairy dust or unicorn turds your peddling no matter how much I need/want it.
I have enough components for my main hunting rifle to keep me hunting for years, I just keep topping up when retailers get stock, I don't clear out stores stock and bulk buy, just get what I can so everyone gets a fair crack at it.
If I ever get to the point of not being able to feed my main hunting rifle I'll just get a 308 and shoot whatever factory ammo I can lay my hands on that shoots acceptable groups in it.
nah you will use the 223 lol
Yip .308 and 22-250 would see me right iv taken every NZ game animal except wapiti and rusa with a 16 .308 not because it couldn’t but because it didn’t get the opportunity at the time . 22-250/.223 just to clarify but I like to have a hot rod and sadly my cars 20k of being finished and is the absolute bottom of my priority’s so 22-250 for the win. Also wouldn’t turn my nose up at a .270 given the stocks of my local id love to fine tune one with 140gn pills
Trailboss (opened) sold on Trade Me for $357 the other day!
There is a saying with Real Estate you didn't pay to much you just bought to soon.
When it comes to components for reloading the longer you put off buying the more they will cost.
5 years ago 50 cal Primers cost more than these current trade me prices but now look cheap because they are not available so stocking up was not hoarding but common sense.We have seen lean times several times in the past but never learn,People seem happy to stock up on toilet paper,flour and other essentials but cry foul when comes to things that affect their hobbies.
22 longs were very hard to get a few years ago so when I saw them for sale I bought in bulk now they are as rare as primers.
Greetings All,
Watching this thread has been interesting and to an extent amusing. The cyclic shortages of components is driven by the US election cycle with Covid and transport shortages extending the current one. A quick look on the interweb showed some hope for improvement but we are at the very end of a supply chain so hopefully we might get some respite before the next round of US election panic buying starts in early 2024.
To guard against future disruptions to our ammo supplies we, as handloaders, should keep a minimum level of supply of adequate components to keep us shooting. By this I don't mean hoarding vast quantities of components for every rifle that we have but just an adequate supply for one or two rifles that will cover our needs. For me these would be the .223 and the .308 with the latter being optional. Only one powder (AR2206H in my case) is needed and there seems to be adequate components currently available to load the .223 at least. Large Rifle primers seem to be a bit short at the moment.
High prices are an inevitable result of high demand and shortage of supply (including freight). We should expect prices to be high at the moment. Manufacturers discount their goods in times of low demand to maintain market share. We should expect gradual improvement in supply for the balance of this year and into next but by the beginning of 2024 all bets will be off. Just make sure that you are ready.
Regards Grandpamac.
Greetings All,
Watching this thread has been interesting and to an extent amusing. The cyclic shortages of components is driven by the US election cycle with Covid and transport shortages extending the current one. A quick look on the interweb showed some hope for improvement but we are at the very end of a supply chain so hopefully we might get some respite before the next round of US election panic buying starts in early 2024.
To guard against future disruptions to our ammo supplies we, as handloaders, should keep a minimum level of supply of adequate components to keep us shooting. By this I don't mean hoarding vast quantities of components for every rifle that we have but just an adequate supply for one or two rifles that will cover our needs. For me these would be the .223 and the .308 with the latter being optional. Only one powder (AR2206H in my case) is needed and there seems to be adequate components currently available to load the .223 at least. Large Rifle primers seem to be a bit short at the moment.
High prices are an inevitable result of high demand and shortage of supply (including freight). We should expect prices to be high at the moment. Manufacturers discount their goods in times of low demand to maintain market share. We should expect gradual improvement in supply for the balance of this year and into next but by the beginning of 2024 all bets will be off. Just make sure that you are ready.
Regards Grandpamac.
GRRRRRR.
We dont know which companies have govt contracts for the supply of military munitions in the US but with 40 Billion of military 'Aid' going to Ukraine I think it is a safe bet that every munitions company in the US is going hammer and tongs 24 /7 making 7.62 and 5.56 and are not interested in making sporting components
After reading this post I thought I would check out 50BMG primers as they were about $28.00/100 a few years ago and I thought now they could be a bargain compared to LR primers. What a shock!!!! $99-$135 per 100. Will be rationing them now.
https://www.reloaders.co.nz/shop/Rel...ox+of+100.html
https://gunsnz.com/reloading-Cleaning-ammo/primers
Such a romantic view..... reality check: that is how the world has worked since anything became a trade commodity. Now if the reference was specific to this little community called "NZHS" as in bought on here and resold on here, then ok, but if I find something cheap on Tm for example, and jump on here and manage to flog it for a profit, the buyer clearly wanted it, and I have facilitated his finding that item without effort on his part, therefore, I am NOT a "cunt", I am HELPFULL......
Might have to rethink the 2209 range powders I'm holding that I was thinking about selling. Might get called names, and I'm a sensitive wee flower.....
Not the same, what I am talking about is people who go and buy up stock ftom shops at retail price with zero intent to use it just to sell it off once retail supplies have been exhausted.
All this does is compund the supply chain issues as people who genuinely want to buy miss out because "cunts" have gone an bought up all the retail stock and then on sell it at horrendous markups, I have seen powder and projectiles being flogged off at 200% mark up and if that doesn't piss you off well then I guess we just have different moral ethics.
I have also seen the other side where people who re not as up to speed with the current shortages who get ripped off or simply have to go without because of the same behavior.
Also I suspect you bought your "2209 range powders" with every intent to use it so not in the same demographic as mentioned above, I'm also sure your not likely to sell it on at 200% mark up....if you do sensitive flower or not you are a cunt :D
Hell if you pick up something for a bargain and can turn a profit by onselling it at a "REASONABLE" price I have no issue with that and it doesn't make you a cunt.
a reasonably helpful cunt........ yip I could live with that LOL.
cunts are useful.....
if we cannot help each other out...and look out for each other...check in on each other and lend support when a brother is down in the dumps....well the world is a really shitty place.
lots of folks on here have gone out of thier way to help me out with one thing or another...and I try to return that . the pay it forward thing is just plain good manners/morals..... just the way we should be.
on selling something you were given for free or at "mates rates" is a shitty thing to do UNLESS you give half share of profit to whoever did right by you....well it is in my books anyway,and I can tell you for nought,it feels pretty bloody good to do so.
Couldn't agree more @Micky Duck I also think some people will argue just for the sake of it so I won't be biting again :P
Well good news is Steves Wholesale is expecting another shipment to land next week with only 90% presold...bad news is to expect price increases due to low NZ dollar and increases of US pricing on some brands ie Nosler and Alliant powder.
Nosler and Alliant already more expensive than every one else.
I try and stick to hornady and adi as seem to be more stabilty in at least prices and probably only as bad as anything else to get your hands on.
I just buy the 2000 pks!
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Actually I thought it was " just a capitalist" - as in banks, fuel retailers, dentists selling infill and root canals, surgeons getting one salary at the public trough then tripling that in private practice, at the same time, cynical Supermarkets making $1m a day profit, certain churches/cults taxing the poor, power companies water companies, council rates, building suppliers, yada yada yada. Just another day in God's zone really. Not sure what all the whinging is about ( ducking, diving, leaping for a hole in the ground)
But seriously, it stinks, its life, be as helpful and generous as we can...
The building suppliers are cutting their own throats - I saw an article yesterday saying new build enquiries were down 80%, and to expect a lot of unemployed builders in the near future.