Thread: Subsonic load for 308

Roll crimping must be into the cannelure, the Lee factory crimp doesn't, and I think taper crimp doesn't.

Does shooternz casts come lubed up or do you do that yourself also how much $ are these for 100?

Originally Posted by FatLabrador

Does shooternz casts come lubed up or do you do that yourself also how much $ are these for 100?

Yep, they come lubed, with gas check. They were $40 plus postage per hundred last time I bought some (late last year), rural postage was $8.30 IIRC.

if you leave them like that Joel...the lube will either fall off/wear off/melt off or pick up every bit of grit around...seat them deeper ,to the crimp groove as Robert has said or at very least untill all the red bit is inside case mouth.

Might find you will pull the bullet if trying to eject a unused round with them seated at that length,that’s what would happen with my A7 when I tried seating them long to help with feeding from the mag,the projectile was jammed into the lands due to the olgive

Hi all. Bit of a query. I have a 16 inch suppressed 308. Looking at seeing what sub loads are available, primary use being for farm jobs. It looks like the 190 sub x's are prevalent. But Trailboss isn't and looks to be less so. The Hodgson website states a list of powders possible with charges required to meet mach 1 (H322 - 13 gr, BM2 - 13.4 gr, H4895 - 13.3 gr). I have acquired H32 and H4895 lately from a relative. Has anyone used these before to make a subsonic load at their stated charges?

dont do it......by all means go light load,but subs suck if your aim is slightly off..... and shooternz on here has awesome 151grn hp cast projectiles at a fraction of the price of other options...highly reccomended.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

dont do it......by all means go light load,but subs suck if your aim is slightly off..... and shooternz on here has awesome 151grn hp cast projectiles at a fraction of the price of other options...highly reccomended.

Ok thank you for the info. Looking at the other replies, it does look like the strategies are usually Trailboss based. Im new to asking questions on this site, but want to know if its legit to ask about sourcing powders from other members. Or is it likely that everyone won't want to budge on powders anyway?!

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

dont do it......by all means go light load,but subs suck if your aim is slightly off.....

MD is right. I persevered with subs for a year. Most of the time they worked out well with good head and neck shots, sometimes they didn't. If I was shooting baited pigs from a stationary position (or something like that), I'd give them another go, but for snap shooting in the bush, you either don't take the shot or risk injuring an animal that just walks off. Not for me. Your experience may vary.

225gn ELD-M and 12.3gn Trail Boss

168gn Lehigh Controlled Fracture an 9gns Trail Boss

16 inch barrelled 1-8 twist 308Win

Most are trailboss based as its the easiest option (as long as you can find some)

Anyone have an idea of what velocities you get when reducing 2206H down to the 60% load .
My research says ADI says it’s safe to do , but I can find very little info on actual results and velocities.
Anyone tried it ?

Originally Posted by Ground Control

Anyone have an idea of what velocities you get when reducing 2206H down to the 60% load .
My research says ADI says it’s safe to do , but I can find very little info on actual results and velocities.
Anyone tried it ?

if you get out a paper and pencil.....yes some of us still use them....and draw up a wee graph..powder weight on one axis and velocity on the other...you will find its pretty close to a straight line..put in what you know and then go forward /backwards to what you think you want and see where its at.....

Originally Posted by Ground Control

Anyone have an idea of what velocities you get when reducing 2206H down to the 60% load .
My research says ADI says it’s safe to do , but I can find very little info on actual results and velocities.
Anyone tried it ?

This may help? Believe it's the same powder, happy to be corrected

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Originally Posted by Ground Control

Anyone have an idea of what velocities you get when reducing 2206H down to the 60% load .
My research says ADI says it’s safe to do , but I can find very little info on actual results and velocities.
Anyone tried it ?

I shoot cast bullets with 27.0 grains of 2206H velocity will depend on your barrel in mine velocity is 1720fps or there about depending on bullet weight
just load for accuracy any soft cast bullet will expand at 1500 fps HP's down to 900 fps,
Hard cast bullets will not expand but will shatter if not made properly, High velocity Cast bullets can be made but it is very expensive and not really worth
the effort,
I have the mould for The Extreme Cast Bullet it is a .30 cal 165 grain bullet and has been shot at 3100 fps in a modified 30/06 case
and has shot 2 MOA ten shot groups at 600 yards.