Thread: Win small pistol primers in 223

At least Victorian government has said they will have the laws reviewed by ex Police Commissioner next year. So.. a bit more measured. I'm in Vic btw

I believe it all got through at 3am.
Protests banned. We know what that's about. See attached.

That is pretty harsh, will be interesting to see the actual bill when it is released.

Originally Posted by inglishill

That is pretty harsh, will be interesting to see the actual bill when it is released.

Yes, Its crazy stuff. I could loose 3. In W.A. I believe "compensation was $500 each. Just insulting.

I'm just saddened that I may need to hand in my fully automatic belt fed shot gun. Sheesh

Originally Posted by Oldbloke

I do have a "hornet" load in the 223 that I can use them for if necessary. It may come to that.
Also about 100 cast P.C. bullets I can load.
However, given the changes coming I don't know what the future holds. Grrrrr

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-..._content=other

Mate. It's not about the "Hornet load" its about the striking force of the firing pin in the rifle. Think about it. You could load a round with no powder and still pierce the primer skin

Originally Posted by Jhon

Mate. It's not about the "Hornet load" its about the striking force of the firing pin in the rifle. Think about it. You could load a round with no powder and still pierce the primer skin

This is new info!

Looks like a mate will buy them for his pistol if they don't work.

Greetings All,
There was a report in one of the gun mags that may be of use. Years ago Remington sold .308 cases with a small rifle primer pocket for shortening and reforming into a bench rest cartridge. The walls and neck were thinner for easy reforming which increased capacity. Some bright spark loaded them for his .308. In warmer weather at sea level things went well with great velocity and accuracy. Later in the cold mountains not a single round would fire.
GPM.

Originally Posted by grandpamac

Greetings All,
There was a report in one of the gun mags that may be of use. Years ago Remington sold .308 cases with a small rifle primer pocket for shortening and reforming into a bench rest cartridge. The walls and neck were thinner for easy reforming which increased capacity. Some bright spark loaded them for his .308. In warmer weather at sea level things went well with great velocity and accuracy. Later in the cold mountains not a single round would fire.
GPM.

Of course many cartridges in the -08 case size now use SR primers thoroughly effectively. An entirely different proposition to using pistol primers in a rifle cartridge

Originally Posted by Jhon

Mate. It's not about the "Hornet load" its about the striking force of the firing pin in the rifle. Think about it. You could load a round with no powder and still pierce the primer skin

With this in mind and waiting to go out tonight I thought I would run a simple test.
Two Win SPP fired in an empty case and one S&B SRP fired in an empty case.

See attached. Sorry camera refused to focus well but you will see at this stage they all appear to be same result. (S&B SRP RHS with Black Texta mark)

Ill progress with caution!

1. 3 rounds PC cast bullet 55gr with 5 grains AS50n (want to try this anyway)
2. 3 rounds of my "hornet" load 55gr superroo, 7.6 gr AS50n abt 2000fps
3. 3 55gr superroo 23.7gr AS2208
4. 3 55gr superroo 24.2gr AS2208
5. 3 55gr superroo 24.7gr AS2208 (my normal load abt 2950fps)

Range closed so next visit in about 3-4 weeks I guess.

Bit more info. I found some old GRT info. But not exactly ny "Normal" load of 24.7 Anyway:


24.0gr AS2208 Max pressure 33.838 PSI

25.0gr AS2208 Max pressure 42, 864 PSI

26.1gr AS2208 Max pressure 44,338 PSI

Soooo, 24.7gr should be ABOUT 40.000 PSI I guess.

Why do you actually want to use these? Surely for the cost saving it isn't worth the risk or mucking about? And if its security of supply, I would be just grabbing as many SR as I could.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Why do you actually want to use these? Surely for the cost saving it isn't worth the risk or mucking about? And if its security of supply, I would be just grabbing as many SR as I could.

Ummm,, well they were offered at a good price and I was told they were fine. So, on the spur of the moment I bought 300. Told same later by 2 experienced re-loaders. Simple as that. Its in the 1st post.
And yes its turned out to be a bit of stuffing around. But If I changed brands I would be testing them anyway.

But if it turns out I cant use them Ill will pass them on.

In the mean time I scoured through some ADI data and found:

357 Sig (Pistol) runs to a max pressure of 39,200 PSI Not much less or same as my normal load.
My guess at this point is they will be fine for the "hornet" load which I think is about 32.000 PSI. BUT no good for normal load. (Risky)

Originally Posted by Oldbloke

Ummm,, well they were offered at a good price and I was told they were fine. So, on the spur of the moment I bought 300. Told same later by 2 experienced re-loaders. Simple as that. Its in the 1st post.
And yes its turned out to be a bit of stuffing around. But If I changed brands I would be testing them anyway.

But if it turns out I cant use them Ill will pass them on.

In the mean time I scoured through some ADI data and found:

357 Sig (Pistol) runs to a max pressure of 39,200 PSI Not much less or same as my normal load.
My guess at this point is they will be fine for the "hornet" load which I think is about 32.000 PSI. BUT no good for normal load. (Risky)

There has been some good information, multiple times, from people suggesting that it is not pressure you need to be aware of but the fact the rifle firing pin hits way harder than a pistol one. This is the failure you should be looking at. When the rifle firing pin pierces the SPP because it is thinner than the SRP. There are potentially ways around this but cost/benefit would suggest those work arounds are not viable except in the most extreme of circumstances.

Looking like yet another wind up

Originally Posted by Jhon

Looking like yet another wind up

I'll ignore that