Will subsonics and a suppressed rifle give you much chance to make multiple kills in a group of rabbits or will the rest bolt away by the time you can take a second shot?
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Will subsonics and a suppressed rifle give you much chance to make multiple kills in a group of rabbits or will the rest bolt away by the time you can take a second shot?
Depends how smart/educated they areQuote:
Originally Posted by Old_School
Same with all game, the ones close can hear it go, its impact & sometimes don't like it
The real advantage as the ones that aren't in close proximity have no idea
agree.....sometimes the noise of the bolt cycling will scare them more than the phiit thump of the shot....
If you head shoot them your subbies will scare them to death
Noise is a funny thing, was on a farm raceway one night, Mate was driving the rattly old farm Hilux, came around a corner a Possum was 15m away happily grazing the grass, I clicked the safety off on the 10-22 & instantaneously he was out of there, how he heard it & decided it was bad news over the din of the Hilux goodness only knowsQuote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Yeah, I generally find if I do my bit the opportunity to get scared has passed. If the rest of them are under pressure/not feeling fully secure in their environment they'll bolt at the first sign of 'different' and it doesn't necessarily need to be from hunting. I've been quietly lining a bunch up and seen a Myna scoot overhead and that was enough to spoke them down their burrows...
Did you stop or slow the ute? That's enough - if you keep going at the same speed they happily sit there raising an index claw at you. Change speed or stop, different story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg
I have found with subs that they generally dont frighten after the first shot. The noise they hear to is usually the impact of the bullet into the ground (whther it passes through a rabbit first or not....) If the shot hits something behind them, then more often that not they will run away from that sound which will be towards the shooter. this tells me they have not heard the shot from the rifle itself or if they have they identified it as where the impact was.
I suspect a large part of this is the sound of the shot being fired is travelling at close to the same speed s the projectile and as both arrive close to the same moment, the location of the impact masks the location of the source....
We stopped beside him & he was as happy as until I clicked the safety offQuote:
Originally Posted by No.3
I often used to use shotgun from moving vechille on spooky rabbits,no stopping meant they hadnt bolted yet...too late by then.
A thump from any source is a universal signal "danger fuck off sharpish" to our rabbit friends .Same as the old hind thumping a hoof if shes suspicious.
Possums catch em when theyre horny and you could shove a 12g up their jacksies -they wouldnt notice as its all poontang!
I shot 4one sunny afternoon just beside my landlord cockie cowshed as he was milking .yup me cats &dog was going for a wee spot of bunny busting when the great white bwana happened upon the intending gang bang
Madam skips up log goes head down tail up and no 1 comes bowling in ready to go -...shit a dynapoint .22 slug completely removed any desire from his brain to carry on .No2 quick as a flash gets ready to take his mates place =mounts her -woops bloody dynapoint again and thats two twitching carcasses beside the log . my attentive audeience distracted me momentarily and as i swung back good ol no3 boyo was hard at it -the soundtrack akin to a mad pissed gypsy ochestra-
woop woop incoming contraception shot -sorry you wanted head we gave you head as he landed with a thump on top of two dead mates!@
Madam having lost three suitors and the pleasure was clearly in a "fuck off" human mood scuttling up a branch ,rearing up hissing and spitting like a cobra with its tail caught in the charwallahs bike chain
As the trusty Stirling uttered the reply landlord arrived on the scene very happy id removed a further four of those pesky possums that keep the wife and babies awake at night.
All four although juveniles were in primo nick .
couple of nights later as i let dog out for his bedtime leak he erupp ted in a fury -yup a dopey possum was wedged by his nedk twixt rafters and iron in the carport .I ended his struggled blinded by my own pipe smoke although the barrel was only a couple of inches from his swede!
they love bloody fruit trees too and i bowled a few thatta way as well./
it was more worried about getting run over. As you were :XD:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg
Even with subs and a suppressor Flopsy doing a sudden bit of "break dancing" next to Flipsy and Peter tends to break up the party I've found
Ha, riding the quad up a bush track about 11pm a few years back and in the headlights saw a male and female 'getting it on'........changed down to a lower gear and ran over the top of them. Could have sworn I heard the female screaming "Too deep,Too deep"............just before they expired...Quote:
Originally Posted by kotuku
Re rabbits and subsonics/suppressed. If walking and not making too much noise with a spotlight at night. the ones more than 40m away normally look up......then go back to feeding if there is no other noise to send them running. Using an LED light they normally run but I use a halogen bulb spotlight which is slightly yellow and looks like a full moon......Doesnt scare them at all.
Huh. Fair point about the noise of THAT safety catch. Just wondering if it might have sighted the motion of the barrel getting poked out the window at it - that is another universal 'time to leave' moment. Even in the industrial areas, they will sit tame as all hell and happily chomping right up until the point where you lift your arm up and point at them and then it's all on! Race to 'anywhere the hell else' starting now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg
I've had good luck with subs. there were about 6 of them 30-40m away from me so I just rounded them up, first shot the one that was nearest to cover, then the 1 furthest away from me, then the 1 closest to me, etc.
They still heard and were spooked by the sounds but were more confused than anything. I ended up with 5 of them
had that happen in an austin1100 when i was younger .we were way out in the w hop whops up a bush road spotlighting jackos .alls on full alert round the corner and here smack between the headlights are ma &pa jacko in a furious lengthwise lambada. mate didnt hesitate pedal to the meal and what a bloody racket as possum met body pan.slid to a halt ,all piled out expecting two nearly dead jackos -zilch apart from a wobbly arse goin up the bank into the bush!
Ol jacko is a bloody tough customer at times.
actually just a word of warning .if you do nail one be bloody careful when pickin the carcasse up .I see lots of guys grab em by base of tale and hiff em onto a truck.those claws are not only to atttachh em to trees and telepho ne poles they can also inflict a nasty bloody wound to humans if the owner is in distress .had it happen to my twice when trappin em as a kid.a cowkick from an olde doe opened one of my fingers right up and it bloody hurts.brother had back of his hand ripped open by a supposedly dead possum.
Its more fun when you go out trapping with your old man giving him a hand, you have a sack pack on you back, he hits/kills them with a hammer & 5 mins later two of them decide its not happening & become very much alive on your back....
Not cool when you are 6 or 7...ask me how I know.....:o
Never taken a pack off quicker in my life :D
Ha, that reminds me of...
The time me mate was heading home on his bike in the sticks out of Napier. Comes around the corner, sees oldmate possum wandering down the side of the road - no time to slow down so lines him up and BOOM! with the big left steelcapped boot. Well, matey soon cottoned on that this was a bloody bad move - as he put the boot in he forgot that he was travelling at a quite high speed and every action has an equal and very opposite reaction. As his boot connected with the possum, the reaction was his left leg staying put while the bike kept going forwards. He was bloody lucky to A) stay on the bike, and B) not hit something coming the other way as he fought to get control back while wobbling down the road!
But this isn't where the stupid part of the story comes in... Seems me mate decided to go back and check out the cause of his near-unseating off the bike with his left leg just about ending up by the right handlebar. So he stops, turns around and goes back to check out his victim. He gets back there, hobbles off the bike (ankle already swelling up in his boot) and finds the possum on the edge of the road. Hmmm, not a bad pelt - worthwhile keeping to skin.
Being on a bike and without a pack, you know what ol' dropkick does - shoves the carcass down his jacket doesn't he. Hobbles back to the bike, and sods off down the road with his boot getting tighter by the moment. For the first bit of the trip he was mainly concerned about the state of his foot, but as he got a few km from his place his priorities suddenly changed - at about the same time as oldmate possum woke up inside his jacket and decided this was prime time to relocate. Queue attempt at falling off the bike #2 for the evening! (No he didn't end up with the pelt either).
I ran CCI Quiets through my little badger for a while, single shot, very very quiet. One times I was trying to bag a bunny at about 75m, turns out past about 50 subs get a bit of spread on as far accuracy. I musta put 5 shots in the ground around this bunny before he got tired of waiting and decided to bugger off. I could see him reacting to each impact, first shot he froze, second shot he went from crouched the lying down, etc.
I use 22 suppressed subs a lot, mainly because a fair amount of my work isn't far from town and I try to keep a low sound profile. I've tried a bunch of different suppressors but it doesn't seem to matter how quiet the rifle is they still hear it and it's about 50/50 on if they will spook or not. Some will sit there and let you dial in the range with a few misses, others will spook straight away.
When I'm working more remote areas I tend to use a well suppressed 17hmr, the sonic crack is omnidirectional and helps to conceal the muzzle report so they don't know where it's coming from or what to do. I find it confuses them more and works better to keep them still a bit longer.
This is what Im wondering too, the rabbits seem to be in groups of 3 or 4 about 1 metre apart, Im hoping I can shoot more than one in each bunch or else it will take a month of sundays but the place is full of the things, Ive said to the owner that poison may be the last resort and he agrees, but I want to see if I can get the population down first, plus we can get a bit of meat out of them too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintie
Find sub's in a suppressed bolt action rifle allow multiple shots, provided I don't head shot anything. Click, fall over dead works well. Click, dead while backflipping everywhere tends to scare any other rabbit nearby.
Later in this video proves the point.
https://youtu.be/r76AV3Fo62M
I shoot a lot of rabbits and for .22 work I exclusively use subs. If the population is getting regular shooting and pressure then the rabbits will still spook.
What I have found is because of the low sound report I can walk into the next gulley or over the next hill and the game are settled.
With a breeze, hunting into the wind can also carry the noise away from the next area you are heading into.
Worthwhile noting subs have one fault - the sound arrives at the same time as the pill. If you miss or there are multiple animals, the sound queues the bunnies where to look - and they have excellent eyesight for movement. Not so good for shape recognition but if you move even behind something they will see you straight off. Supersonic pills if you miss tend to not be so bad in this regard, and if you have a solid core can or a supersonic rated one (not the parker hale sprung type anyway) you might have noiser shooting but less spooked animals with the first shot.
Nah, my Badger and Browning make no sound with subs other than the click of the trigger - I've got DPT cans on both.
It's not the sound of the firing I'm meaning - it's the whistle of the pill travelling 'from there' and arriving with a thump that queues the bunnies where to look. I've got a bolt .22LR that's silent in operation but still gets this result with subs travelling at just below the speed of sound. The other thing subsonic projectiles are terrible for is ricochet, bloody shocking in fact. A ricochet gets everything moving as it's such an unnatural sound.Quote:
Originally Posted by vulcannz
I think the subsonic ricochet thing is made worse by how quiet a sub+supressor setup is.
In my experience ,it mainly depends on how much pressure they’ve been under from hunting and lamps But their is always exceptions to the rule, a suppressed 22 is a brilliant tool, can sometimes take 2 or 3 out , but kill shots if one is thumping around the rest are gone , sometimes if they can’t see , hear, smell danger quite happy to sit whilst their friends fall over, on well hunted spots they see a lamp or hear the truck n they gone ,
I don’t go too frequently to the same farm as rabbits learn n can get easily spooked
try it with something 150ish grains and its bumhole puckeringQuote:
Originally Posted by vulcannz
that is a shotgunners happy place......just not so quiet LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Old_School
Ha, 300gr from a .338LM makes an impressive sound when it passes through something then 'Thwangs' off somewhere else!Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck