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Just heard from a guy, they've been trying to find the 16 pointer they whacked two days ago.
He smacked it first and it went down so moved onto the hinds, looked back and heres the stag up and moving so he whacked it again. Down it went for a second time. By the time he got there it was gone.......
Who in their right mind would take a 243 out in the roar? That is unless they only wanted spikers......
Shit I'd hate to no what you think of the two stags I neck shoot with me 223:)
Who in their right mind wouldn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wirehunt
Ther are so many variables in the scenario you have described that the calibre could well be the last thing to blame. Not the first.
My friend just nailed a 16 pointer with his 243, using 80gr Barnes. Shot it in the neck at about 50-75 yds. He recovered the projectile under the skin at the back of the neck.
I've seen roaring stags soak up lead from calibres much bigger than a 243. There's so much more to it than just the calibre.
Bugger though, not nice losing animals. Stug, whats your friends 16 like?
Done plenty with that myself Brads. But I wouldn't fuck around with one on big roaring reds.
If you have time to count to sixteen then you have time to place your shot better.
This guy can shoot, and does a lot of it.
I know its not what you meant WH and that you are a careful shot, but there is so much more to dispatching an animal than "whacking it". I encouraged my boys to aim at a spot on the deer, rather than a less specific "erea". I do this my self, visualising an x on the deer exactly where I want the bullet to go. Its not always possible, but if you set high standards then your average standard will be higher. If you just aim at the front bit, anything can happen and often does.
Reading back over this it sounds a bit like puritanical bull shit, but its what I do and what I encourage.
I've used one myself of course, that's how you tend to get an opinion on something. For me in Fiordland shooting stuff close it didn't cut the mustard on roaring stags. I want them to drop on the spot, with rat gun they didn't and yes good shot placement was used.
"Aim small" eh Tahr. Thats what Dad taught me.
Now there is the voice of sound logic speaking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spook
I would be that happy to put down a big deer the last thing on my mind would be trying to kill the hinds carrying his genes. Almost karma for being a bit greedy.
Good shot placement and good ammunition will put a deer down whether you're using a 338 or a 222
He's like that BH, cleaned up 8 or 10 in one hit a couple of weeks ago.
Whats he doing with all the meat?
Most bullets have expanded after only 25mm of travel in the animal.The usual cup and core bullet will not hold togeather to reach the vitals of something the size of a mature Red stag. Remember a Red stag is closer in size to Elk than other smaller deer and requires a premium bullet if using the smaller calibers. I have shot my share of game and autopsy all kills when possible.Many times I realised just how lucky I was that it died as quick as it did as penetration was not great.This photo is a stag my daughter shot with her .308. Bullet was 150gr Sierra game king,Range 70m.The photo shows the impact lower centre on the neck [a very lucky photo] His back legs are just starting to fold but his brain is not out yet.When approched he was unconscious not dead we cut his neck. The bullet had stopped on his spine and the spinal cord had only been damaged by bone fragments not what I call good bullet performance, a slower 180gr would have made it further and a better kill.
Attachment 8392 It was a 16 pointer and better than anything I have shot.
Bet he was using SST's or something.
Barnes or accubonds should work pretty good in 243 really.
Chris
Dishing it out around the place Toby, it doesn't get wasted.
I use a 243 with good ammo and well placed shots on samber but if i stuffed the shot id be tracking blood for a while
Standard NZ hunter, go in undergunned get most of what you shoot at and rave about how good the calibre is.
Get into not ideal conditions and take the shot anyway then chaulk it up to experience.
Can't remember the results from that Tussock (you are talking ten year ago), but knowing Carlson he would be too tight to use a full load of powder :D
Don't suppose you have a link to your "Carlsen vs Gimp 2003" citation? It sounds relevant to my interests.
It was extremely scientific, and involved:
-an argument about Sectional Density and velocity
-a 20" barrelled .270 shooting 130gr Federal Ammo (the blue-box stuff)
-a standard factory Tikka .243 shooting 100gr Winchester Powerpoint ammo
-a pile of damp newspapers
-2 very similarly sized holes
-no valid conclusion to be drawn from it
Carlsen vs Gimp 2006 looks likely.
Science at its best.
Was that from up at Tussocks place?
I dont know about there but in Aus they're a fair bit more solid than a red, it doesnt really matter what you use though if you stuff up with anything there will be a big tracking job.Quote:
Originally Posted by samba
Having said that nothing has run out of sight yet after being hit with my 300wm 180gn barnes ttx's.
I shot my first sambar with my 270 using 130 gn sst's and it went down on the spot. Found the bullet and the boat tail was still very much intact. Other projectile is from my brothers 30-06 150 gn win powerpoint on his first sambar.
Attachment 8394
Nah James and I went up to Leith Valley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wirehunt
I practice being annoying more than I practice shooting, mainly due to what my work schedule allows.
My high level of competence at causing irritation doesn't reflect poorly on my shooting ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tussock
Also my work schedule looks hella lax currently, you should see my reloading bench (it's bare because I loaded EVERYTHING)
why haven't you just called Bryn? Does Owen have any left? I might have a few somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tussock
There was a few of us up there that day under the trees on the front lawn I seem to recall. CH, me, you, jakewire and I have a feeling another one or two as well. It may have been the lead up to the irritator and CH going up the Leith.
I would hardly compare a goat to a roaring southern red stag either.
Nah I canonly remember three of us that day wirehunt,soaking the newspapers in the pond first. think you had some tsx or some such to try I had the 308 with 155gr amax, can't remember what Tussock was shooting.
Do remember the amax's didn't penetrate all that well though.
Gimp
Gave those 6mm bullets away a fair while ago.
It was Alan's loads from the .308 wasn't it? Probably only doing 2400fps
regardless of gun used that just sucks at least they are putting in the hard yards trying to find it
waste of good powder those EBRG's
It goes
1 Placement
2 projectile suited to intended IMPACT velocity's and game size.
562 caliber used.
+1 VCQuote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Really. Suggest you tell him to put an 85gr Barnes up front. He'll have plenty of beeg dead stags in future.:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wirehunt
or 80gr trgex:thumbsup:
Did you find out what projectile it was that he was using?
