18 inch is working for me
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18 inch is working for me
Thanks guys. Just curious what sort of velocities you're getting from these heavier pills?
2812fps
Optimal length isn't as clear as optimal twist. Longer will give you more speed but I like shorter barrels.
2208
2,930fps. 77 grn. 2206H. 21.5"
3K, 69grn. 2206H. 20"
3,130fps, 64 grn, 2206H. 20"
@Tahr
so I have picked up a Savage / Stevens with a 1-9 twist, apparently loves 69gr projectiles , do you have a bullet choice that would be suitable on Deer..mainly fallow and Reds. ??
69 grn Sierra Match Tipped and 2206H powder. Lethal.
And thats with a 223,no walking away deer there.
Here it is.
69 grain tipped Sierra exit @ 230 yards. Red spiker.
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It's interesting reading this thread, many readers would get the impression you need 70gn+ and even then only the correct projectiles to make .223 a viable round, yet we've got most of our commercial pest control people culling deer very successfully with 55gn belmont (or whatever else is cheap), along with heaps of other shooters and hunters doing the same thing.
I guess its a bit like me using the 22-250 with explosive varmit projectiles going fast to shoot hares at 75 yards...I could do it with the humble .22lr but its just so much more emphatic with big rifle.
I do understand the advantage of heavier projectiles (why I have 170grn rn for the .270) I also know I can kill deer deader than dead with 50grn load in the 223 IF I get in close and put it in right place.
youve done opened a can of worms now Phil.......you will be going to cabinet and eni meany miny moe from here on in...enjoy your venison ,it should be good n tasti eating.
Greetings Phil and All,
That white fallow could have a nasty surprise once you get those TMK's loaded. And yes Micky there is a ruckus coming from my rifle cupboard every time the occupants think one of them might be taken out for a walk. And yet when I spotted that the Bergara single shots were chambered in 6.5x57R I got all weak at the knees thinking how great one would be to go with my .308. Fortunately after a couple of days I had persuaded myself that the two 6.5x55 rifles I already have should suffice. Then I thought that one in .357 Mag would be really useful. Oh well it is just a cross us rifle loonies have to bear, some more than others.
Regards Grandpamac.
I like carcass pictures if you managed to get it out whole and hang.
Tho I have a pretty good idea what it will look like.
Get in close and great placement is the operative words.
I have seen to many fuckups with bad shot placement guys that tell you they head shoot everything, they go very quiet when I ask how many deer have got away with a blown of jaw to then starve to death.
Horses for courses, I use the right chambering for the sized critters they are targeting.
A big stag shot with a 22-250 had nine shots in it by the time it expired.
Not impressed
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Fallow I got a few weeks ago, have ditched the 223, to fussy as a cartridge, have owned two Tikkas, 1:8and 1:12, both hopeless, a savage 1:12, best I owned for accuracy and a Kimber, yuck. Sold them all and just use a Sako 6.5 x 55. Clover leaf at 100 without trying, so this is now my go to.
Double up
Tonight, just on deer o’clock. I’d actually gone up the hill with the intention of longer range rabbits and hares, but these two were in the way. The .223 Remington will always have its place when it comes to precision deer shooting.
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You just wont get an impressive wound channel with 223.
Its 50 to 80 grain at quick to moderate velocities.
It didn't go far tho did it.
A decent projectile like the one you used or a heavier and soft one will do the job every time if you do yours.
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50gr Z-Max, 3400fps, 150m. Mum and progeny I’m guessing. I shot the hind first, the others (4 or 5) ran like a boatload of illegals at the shot, but the young one stayed rooted to the spot staring at the recently departed. So together in life and in death, and now together in the chiller.
Things to remember here Phil is that projectile construction and (impact)velocity are the major players in terminal performance.
Inline with the opening posts question if constrained by twist rate then yes varmint projectiles in the heaviest you can stabilize are an option to extend effective range but a bad option for close body shots.
I have lost count of how many times I have heard someone say and this is with any caliber " they pencil threw up close" "but work good out far"
This is the exact opposite of how bullets work and behave on soft targets.
Ask for more information there is none why?...because..they shot it in the guts in the thermal and it slunk off.
The higher the impact velocity the more violent the expansion, so if you took the same exact shot at 200y I would bet both my testicles it would have reacted simarly and the projectile would have exited.
I recovered another 80gr ELDM from a fallow doe the other day, shot at about 20m high shoulder, nice mushroom under the skin on the offside. A 2nd doe shot at a bit longer range,maybe 40m, the bullet entered the brisket and exited behind the shoulder, not recovered.
The ELDMs are likely a problem to get working well from any factory rifle. The easiest solution for a good factory setup would be a Howa mini 1:8" and shoot 77gr TMKs.
Yep and if you get a Jefferson outdoors bottom metal for the mini you get more overall lenght possible in the mag and a nice flush floorplate.
Mine is the older 9 twist not the new 8 however it did stabilise and shoot the 73gr eldm quite well but only at a low charge so that might be worth a try in your rem Phil
Actually I should revist it now I can load it longer.
@Phil_H while you are on a .223 roll this is worth looking at https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...-deer-antelope
In particular the post from "Formidilosus" (which should be on the page that comes up)