Thread: Crook deer

Lung photo would be more telling.

For a hind be as wretched thin as that something has been wrong for a few months. I wouldn't eat it as even if it was just old and skinny it would be depleted in minerals and not the sort of tucker we should be putting our bodies

Here is a carcase inspection tutorial on inspecting lymph glands on a deer. The spleen on the healthy fallow is different to the scungy red hind posted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sUM9yDHvcM

Most deer I’ve taken there have been from wairere falls area,the knees let me know how big the deer were after carrying them down those bloody flights of stairs that’s for sure,younger and dumber back then,shot my very first deer up there 30 years ago.

Originally Posted by The bomb

Most deer I’ve taken there have been from wairere falls area,the knees let me know how big the deer were after carrying them down those bloody flights of stairs that’s for sure,younger and dumber back then,shot my very first deer up there 30 years ago.

Meat wont bruise when dead...drag the bastard down the stairs...of course not a good look for the trampers.

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

Here is a carcase inspection tutorial on inspecting lymph glands on a deer. The spleen on the healthy fallow is different to the scungy red hind posted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sUM9yDHvcM

Quickest inspection and most effective are the lymph nodes just under the atlas joint, easily visible when head is taken off.



In the US when they are doing research on illnesses such as Chronic Wasting Disease this is where they usually inspect and remove for sampling if suspect.

Originally Posted by caberslash

Quickest inspection and most effective are the lymph nodes just under the atlas joint, easily visible when head is taken off.

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In the US when they are doing research on illnesses such as Chronic Wasting Disease this is where they usually inspect and remove for sampling if suspect.

You are correct that heads are used for CWD but CWD is a Prion disease that effects the brain / CNS so it makes sense to check those glands for CWD. I always check the windpipe, lungs, liver, intestines as well as lymph

Manger? Not sure if the mite is present in NZ I never saw it up the Kaimais but with animals coming from farms it could well have come in with that new blood.
Need to ask some of the farms around. Our if anyone knows someone that works at the works if they have ever binned animals with it.

If it is mange I hope the pair of you washed your hands and clothing really well as it can and will jump onto another host.

Been thinking about this case and looking at the photo again and considering the coat, which is not just a moulting coat, and the poor body condition and colour of spleen I would put my money on it being Johnes Disease.

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

Been thinking about this case and looking at the photo again and considering the coat, which is not just a moulting coat, and the poor body condition and colour of spleen I would put my money on it being Johnes Disease.

was finally going to use my past life experience as a meat inspector and you beat me to it, +1 for johnes. Possibly also a touch of peritonitis but the photos not that good.

Originally Posted by charliehorse

was finally going to use my past life experience as a meat inspector and you beat me to it, +1 for johnes. Possibly also a touch of peritonitis but the photos not that good.

Hey @charliehorse because MPI are so secretive with Meat Inspecting tutorials etc there is nothing online that I can reference / link here on how to do a proper inspection.
Would it be possible for you to run us through a proper field inspection procedure ? I am always keen to learn.

Never heard of johnes disease so looked it up and from what I read and saw its looks very likely. My mate had a read up and says he thinks so as well. Cheers @Moa Hunter I learned something new

Originally Posted by piwakawaka

Never heard of johnes disease so looked it up and from what I read and saw its looks very likely. My mate had a read up and says he thinks so as well. Cheers @Moa Hunter I learned something new

Something that is of great concern regarding Johnes is that it is implicated in Crohn's Disease in humans. Johnes bacteria being found in Crohn's sufferers but not in the general population suggests that a Johnes infection makes us susceptible to Crohn's or that Johnes is one part of the cause.

Rules: Poor condition animal - dont take. Gutting a suitable animal, free and tie off the arse before gutting, be careful to not puncture or tear the intestines. Discard any soiled or contaminated meat. Wash Hands

Bloody hell...i have had Crohn's disease for years, maybe the deer gave it to me or they might have sniffed one of my many dumps i have taken in the bush...beware Kaimai's, Kawekas, Kaimanawa's, Pureora, everywhere else should be safe as i haven't been there...in my case it has not been a wasting disease, maybe alcohol reverses effects.

Johnnes disease is rife throughout NZ farms and very similar to bovine TB. Bush areas surrounded or bordered by farms are likely places for Johnnes to be passed from cattle into deer herds. Inoculum is available to counter Johhnes but seldom used on cattle because it s antibodies show up as bTB positive during bTB testing. I believe the deer farming industry inoculate against it though. It usually manifests itself in unthrifty animals but may show no extetnal signs in strong healthy unstressed animals even when they are infected.