Thread: DOC land claimed to be private land?

So am i hearing, my "public" land = my sheep in my freezer?

I used to be a supporter of farmers and their problems, but the more and more i deal with them the more i dont have any sympathy for them. Its always stuff like, stealing public land, harassing you when you hunt adjacent public land, illegal gates across roads, farmstock walking in and shitting all over waterways, vandalizing your vehicle because you parked at the road end that they dont want you to hunt, shooting into the bushe where you are to scare deer away, blocking paper roads etc

Originally Posted by NewbieZAR

some farmers here in the NI also steal public land because doc doesn't inspect it, quite a few placed ive been to the farmers move their fences into the bush and deforest it bit by bit. farmers aren't as innocent as they like to tell us.

The block is clearly DOC land on the DOC mapping website, when you click it a box pops up where you can click 'apply for permit'. I think NewbieZAR is onto it. The block is in NI and his land adjoins it with no clear natural boundary. I used a software that I use for work purposes to see land details such as owners, title references etc. And that block had no named owners just like the block of forest next to it. The guy is probably using it as his own because no one from DOC tells him otherwise.

Anyways, I have e-mailed DOC office for clarification and will post the result if I hear back from them. Either way I probably won't go there anytime soon, even if I can hunt there that farmer has probably shot everything there is since he lives right next to it.

Had that experience years ago on the north face of Pirongia.
Had the maps etc, they disputed it as their land.
Was a good spot for goats as rough grass and scrub over a large area, so you could spot and stalk up on them.

Ended up coming to an arrangement with them. They just wanted recognition so as long as I phoned the old gent (Head Man) and asked permission they never said no.
Just wanted recognition and to know when a shooter was on the block. The far western end did have some scrubby sheep.
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Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

So if all farmers are c..... s, you should have no issues with farmers saying all hunters are c.... s!!!

Pretty sure same dude was advertising for properties to shoot for " pest control ".....

Yet bags farmers........??

Barrels of apples.....

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DOC land ?

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

So if all farmers are c..... s, you should have no issues with farmers saying all hunters are c.... s!!!

Well..

Eugenie thinks you are all Cunters

Originally Posted by Alex_Z

The block is clearly DOC land on the DOC mapping website, when you click it a box pops up where you can click 'apply for permit'. I think NewbieZAR is onto it. The block is in NI and his land adjoins it with no clear natural boundary. I used a software that I use for work purposes to see land details such as owners, title references etc. And that block had no named owners just like the block of forest next to it. The guy is probably using it as his own because no one from DOC tells him otherwise.

Anyways, I have e-mailed DOC office for clarification and will post the result if I hear back from them. Either way I probably won't go there anytime soon, even if I can hunt there that farmer has probably shot everything there is since he lives right next to it.

At work I can look online at a map that shows the title and owners of any property in the region, there are some places like river bed and railway corridor where the information just draws a big blank. Your post reads like you have access to a similar resource?.

I did happen to overhear a conversation in the office today about farmers having a level of jurisdiction over the river land adjacent to their property if they could prove usage. Sorry my source is vague as I wasn’t reading listening to the conversation at the time. I can dig deeper on Tuesday and get the proper words directly from the horses mouth if anyone wants further details.

Yes, agree with what longshot is saying. Next door to where I work is a riverbed with a doc administered public reserve on it that the farmer next door leases. He is allowed to fence it, clear scrub and blackberry but no trees, and also not allowed to level the natural contours of the land. I haven't seen the contract between him and doc but this is what I've been told.
This reserve is a no hunting allowed area.

Originally Posted by NewbieZAR

I used to be a supporter of farmers and their problems, but the more and more i deal with them the more i dont have any sympathy for them. Its always stuff like, stealing public land, harassing you when you hunt adjacent public land, illegal gates across roads, farmstock walking in and shitting all over waterways, vandalizing your vehicle because you parked at the road end that they dont want you to hunt, shooting into the bushe where you are to scare deer away, blocking paper roads etc

I used to be a supporter of hunters til I started reading dribble dick comments like this on forums

Originally Posted by Chicken

I used to be a supporter of hunters til I started reading dribble dick comments like this on forums

yup I always found a personal approach worked on over 50% of cases - a lot flatly refused but a good yak around where and how many could be shot i.e their rules would be adhered to and coupla beers dropped of and an assurance that I would not be asking to often usually got a good response

If you start having a nosey round at titles near riverbed it soon opens up a whole new world of hunting areas for pheasants and quail etc. Lots of Linz land has been nicked for farming. I know of a few examples round my place and the look on the farmers face when you tell him you know the exact boundaries is priceless.

F..wits be it a hunter, tramper or farmer bugger it up for everybody.
The simple trick is not to be one.
I lease a bit of DOC that all the locals go on to get watercress.
The great majority are no problem.
But I cover my bases by putting up hot wires so if gates left open cattle do not go for a wander.
If you make it easy for them and don't act like a dick it works well.
Have told some to take there dogs home as I wouldn't really like to have to shoot them if I catch them chasing sheep.
When I first bailed them up and told them to go in the paddock not to park on the road and play chicken with the milk tankers the response was amazing.
They now treat it like their own in a good way.
The only thing we have lost were some khaki campbell ducks years ago that must have gone in the pot which was a blessing as the bastards shit everywhere and their days were numbered anyway.

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

Need to be careful which standards you want to adhere to.
Your car, public car park, my car?

I did exactly that to a guy who was blatantly poaching...he got back to his vechile to find a tractor had moved it.
He never came back
Yes there's some absolute cunty farmers out there, sometimes it's hunters attitude that have created some of the issues.


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Originally Posted by erniec

F..wits be it a hunter, tramper or farmer bugger it up for everybody.
The simple trick is not to be one.

Best advice I have seen for ages and not just applicable to our hobby but to life as a whole!!