Thread: Farmer lying about paper road?

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

Are you quite sure that next to your property is a ULR or is it just a parcel of council land designated to roading ? The standard for a road is a minimum 'chain' or 66 feet - 20 metres. Your parcel is only 10 metres tapering to 1 metre so cannot be a road as such only an access right of way or sum such. Fence it off, park Harleys on it and patrol it with gang members and see how much the public use it. Then you can apply to the council to 'take it over' for them

Definitely a paper road. And I would not leave a Harley parked where public has access (or thinks it ihas access...) as it would be gone 5 minutes later...

That is the weirdest livestock theft I've ever heard of.

I heard that the same thing happened here on Tuaropaki (Mokai)

You are mixing up ownership a bit: Often farm tracks may 'sort of' follow a paper road alignment. Therefore you will be trepassing if you do not rigidly stick to the purple alignment shown on WAMS. Which is what makes using paper roads so difficult. Often the terrain means no vehicle could stick to the true paper road alignment, so each time you wander back onto the bit of the track thats on the farmers land, you are tresspassing. If, however you walk or manage to stick ridgidly to the true paper road alignment, you have remained on public land. It may look like farmland, it may smell like farmland, it may taste like farmland, but the purple bit is public road.

Had a nasty incident happen to me and my buddy and i was shocked at the stupidity of the 'farmers employee'. Im an ex soldier and i really didn't like having some idiot storm up on me with bullshit, bravado and a rifle. The whole situation was reported to the police and bugger all has come of it. This is just lunacy.

Originally Posted by T.FOYE

Had a nasty incident happen to me and my buddy and i was shocked at the stupidity of the 'farmers employee'. Im an ex soldier and i really didn't like having some idiot storm up on me with bullshit, bravado and a rifle. The whole situation was reported to the police and bugger all has come of it. This is just lunacy.

I had a firearm presented at me when I was standing on a formed public road with cars driving past. Not nice. Police did not act, I know this because the bloke still had firearms two years later. I think we should pursue these cases.
What I have done in the past with other situations is visit the local Court and complain to the Registrar that no action has taken place and ask them what to do. This has produced a result ...

With virtually everyone carrying a cell phone on them, surprised a few pics have not surfaced of such drama? A picture tells a thousand words or something like that..

Originally Posted by Hunteast

With virtually everyone carrying a cell phone on them, surprised a few pics have not surfaced of such drama? A picture tells a thousand words or something like that..

But please remember a picture often only tells half the story...and usually the other halfs view point instead of yours...I know this from experience. We had security holding down an aggressive assailant waiting for police to arrive yet the news only showed the security restraining him and deliberately did not show the assailant attacking two females waiting to enter (which is WHY he was restrained in the first place...).It went to court and the security were accused of excessive force. When the FULL security video was shown ALL charges were dismissed but there was never any retraction from the media about them "getting the story wrong". Note that the full video is not legally accessible to the public and was never allowed to be shown apart from being used as evidence or Police / internal affairs investigations.

And then the shop video from the Auckland Gun Shop many years ago showing an assailant entering using a knife to take on the shop staff during a burglary in day time if i remember correct - ended up being shot by the owner but survived. Was a drama for the owner though after court to be fair. What i am indicating is that more footage of similar situations will still go a long way in telling the story to assist in court. Who releases the footage to the media or has the rights to release to media is entirely up to you at the time? Just like car dash cam footage - i used in a car accident when hit front on while on a dirt road to go hunting - the other person not knowing i had dash cam - he told a different story and was caught out when the video was presented later on. I won, he lost. Police viewed but i didn't let them copy it.

Originally Posted by Hunteast

With virtually everyone carrying a cell phone on them, surprised a few pics have not surfaced of such drama? A picture tells a thousand words or something like that..

I had replied to a newspaper add with a scope for sale. After phoning and making an appointment 6:30 pm (winter) I drove to the guys address on Mandeville Road in Ohoka. His name was Lyn Knight. The gate at the road edge property boundary was locked so I called out 'Mr Knight' as I could hear voices in a shed. No reply, then quiet footsteps on the gravel. Me " Hey is that Mr Knight - I've come to look at the scope as arranged" Reply " Just as well you spoke I thought you were trying to break in and was just about to give you a barrel " Appears in the gloom with a 12 gauge pointed at my chin. Him " Well now you are here come and have a look at the scope" Me " You know, I dont think that scope is right for me, thanks very much"
Complained to Police and signed a statement etc. then couldnt believe it when I saw him in a gun shop 12 months later buying a firearm - talked to him and he was still actively using firearms - didnt recognise me.

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

I had replied to a newspaper add with a scope for sale. After phoning and making an appointment 6:30 pm (winter) I drove to the guys address on Mandeville Road in Ohoka. His name was Lyn Knight. The gate at the road edge property boundary was locked so I called out 'Mr Knight' as I could hear voices in a shed. No reply, then quiet footsteps on the gravel. Me " Hey is that Mr Knight - I've come to look at the scope as arranged" Reply " Just as well you spoke I thought you were trying to break in and was just about to give you a barrel " Appears in the gloom with a 12 gauge pointed at my chin. Him " Well now you are here come and have a look at the scope" Me " You know, I dont think that scope is right for me, thanks very much"
Complained to Police and signed a statement etc. then couldnt believe it when I saw him in a gun shop 12 months later buying a firearm - talked to him and he was still actively using firearms - didnt recognise me.

Now that is completely fucked. Pointing a firearm at anyone that is not posing an imminent threat to your life (could be a crim, a member of the public or even a Policeman) will see me exhaust all avenues to have them feel the full measure of the law.

Another example of why the law abiding are having less and less respect for the authorities. When an incident such as this is fobbed off.

Getting away from the op but at the start of our road we have a camera's operating sign. All footage we can do what we like with it. Sign had to be back at least a hundred meters from camera's so joe public can turn around if they want with out been on camera.
Also because most of these road camera's are owned privately info can be shared, different story if police paid for cameras

Originally Posted by bigbear

Getting away from the op but at the start of our road we have a camera's operating sign. All footage we can do what we like with it. Sign had to be back at least a hundred meters from camera's so joe public can turn around if they want with out been on camera.
Also because most of these road camera's are owned privately info can be shared, different story if police paid for cameras

It's the ones that turn around that really need to be recorded....I would be curious to know where the regulations for cameras is posted as we are giving serious consideration to installing one.

I have mate that had an access track to the ruahines and when doc were been queer he shut it down and doc threatened an cajoled ect.
He was legally entitled to close access and after the stories I have heard I can't blame him for shutting it down.
All I can say there are some very entitled cock heads that fuck it up for the the good bastards.

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